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Can you share a timestamp? I'm not aware of any new stories from his Scheme and Haskell adventures. In the first section of the interview he specifically point

Can you share a timestamp? I'm not aware of any new stories from his Scheme and Haskell adventures. In the first section of the interview he specifically points out the merits of C and C-style C++, and explains how Lisp (especially mountains of macros) are hard to maintain in a team.

the_af 4y ago
Scheme and Haskell are not the central point. Carmack mentions he still appreciates FP lessons when writing C code.
- jstimpfle 4y ago
  He does. Not that anyone cares, but I do as well. But considering FP lessons while still writing C is a long way from considering how far Java can be moved towards Haskell. Or experimenting with writing large parts of games and systems software in Scheme.
  - the_af 4y ago
    Well, the link between whatever Carmack thought about FP and C, and Java and FP idioms, was tenuous to begin with. Yet you introduced it in your comment... To give my perspective: Carmack was a latecomer in this, at least for the widespread programming paradigms community, and also remember game programming is a niche (so what worked there was unlikely to permeate to the general community [1]). So whatever Carmack thought (which I appreciate, since I hold him in high regard!) is unlikely to have had any sway in Java, Kotlin, Scala, and other proglangs adopting FP idioms. I distinctly remember back in that era, few people who were not gamers even knew who Carmack was (to my chagrin!). [1] I remember an experience from my distant past, when interviewing at Vostu (a Zynga-like online game company), the chief engineer told me "we don't use frameworks here, just plain Java. Forget Spring, forget Hibernate, forget everything. We don't use them. Everything we do, we do by hand". (I didn't take the job offer for unrelated reasons). Note this is highly unrepresentative of the Java community at large!

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Can you share a timestamp? I'm not aware of any new stories from his Scheme and Haskell adventures. In the first section of the interview he specifically point

by jstimpfle 4y ago

the_af 4y ago
Scheme and Haskell are not the central point. Carmack mentions he still appreciates FP lessons when writing C code.
- jstimpfle 4y ago
  He does. Not that anyone cares, but I do as well. But considering FP lessons while still writing C is a long way from considering how far Java can be moved towards Haskell. Or experimenting with writing large parts of games and systems software in Scheme.
  - the_af 4y ago
    Well, the link between whatever Carmack thought about FP and C, and Java and FP idioms, was tenuous to begin with. Yet you introduced it in your comment... To give my perspective: Carmack was a latecomer in this, at least for the widespread programming paradigms community, and also remember game programming is a niche (so what worked there was unlikely to permeate to the general community [1]). So whatever Carmack thought (which I appreciate, since I hold him in high regard!) is unlikely to have had any sway in Java, Kotlin, Scala, and other proglangs adopting FP idioms. I distinctly remember back in that era, few people who were not gamers even knew who Carmack was (to my chagrin!). [1] I remember an experience from my distant past, when interviewing at Vostu (a Zynga-like online game company), the chief engineer told me "we don't use frameworks here, just plain Java. Forget Spring, forget Hibernate, forget everything. We don't use them. Everything we do, we do by hand". (I didn't take the job offer for unrelated reasons). Note this is highly unrepresentative of the Java community at large!