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Go on and argue that, by providing evidence that by using Java you decrease those three metrics compared to other languages, in projects of similar size. I don'

Go on and argue that, by providing evidence that by using Java you decrease those three metrics compared to other languages, in projects of similar size. I don't know if there are studies but if you know about them please share. Otherwise we're all talking about biased opinions, less the fact that Java is widely used and maintained.

Retric 4y ago
That comment is pointless, if you want to raise the level of discourse actually provide some evidence rather than simply request it from others.
- fedeb95 4y ago
  I didn't make the original post, so while your answer is legit, it goes back to the original poster
  - Retric 4y ago
    I don’t see them asking for studies etc?
    - fedeb95 4y ago
      Nonetheless they state a problem in Java culture. That should be backed by data and not by personal opinions. Otherwise they're worth what is worth. The burden of proof is on who says Java sucks in this or that way. I'm not saying it doesn't. Just that Java is there, used by thousand of professionals making money with it
      - Retric 4y ago
        And your back to arguing they should be held to a higher standard with “should be backed” and “The burden of proof” The burden of proof rests on everyone making an argument. There isn’t a privileged stance between Java is ok/awesome/terrible. I think popularity demonstrates it’s not a terrible language like say Brainfuck, but it says little about individual aspects. Individual weaknesses in some aspect could be made up by a strong showing in other areas and being popular alone provides some real advantages.
        fedeb95 4y ago
        Everything may be. You're missing my point: if someone makes a claim, as you said, should provide "proof", I think in this context one study would suffice. Otherwise he should use different tones, like "maybe", "in my humble opinion", "I'd like to know if..." but I guess it wouldn't make lots of visits to his website. I just pointed out a possibility that invalidates his claims (if proved of course). This suffices to show that a study is needed, in either direction, to say something about the topic at hand. The fact remains: Java is out there and widely used. Let me remark I'm not saying it's necessarily a merit of the language per se

Retric 4y ago

That comment is pointless, if you want to raise the level of discourse actually provide some evidence rather than simply request it from others.

fedeb95 4y ago
I didn't make the original post, so while your answer is legit, it goes back to the original poster
- Retric 4y ago
  I don’t see them asking for studies etc?
  - fedeb95 4y ago
    Nonetheless they state a problem in Java culture. That should be backed by data and not by personal opinions. Otherwise they're worth what is worth. The burden of proof is on who says Java sucks in this or that way. I'm not saying it doesn't. Just that Java is there, used by thousand of professionals making money with it
    - Retric 4y ago
      And your back to arguing they should be held to a higher standard with “should be backed” and “The burden of proof” The burden of proof rests on everyone making an argument. There isn’t a privileged stance between Java is ok/awesome/terrible. I think popularity demonstrates it’s not a terrible language like say Brainfuck, but it says little about individual aspects. Individual weaknesses in some aspect could be made up by a strong showing in other areas and being popular alone provides some real advantages.
      - fedeb95 4y ago
        Everything may be. You're missing my point: if someone makes a claim, as you said, should provide "proof", I think in this context one study would suffice. Otherwise he should use different tones, like "maybe", "in my humble opinion", "I'd like to know if..." but I guess it wouldn't make lots of visits to his website. I just pointed out a possibility that invalidates his claims (if proved of course). This suffices to show that a study is needed, in either direction, to say something about the topic at hand. The fact remains: Java is out there and widely used. Let me remark I'm not saying it's necessarily a merit of the language per se