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Obviously 15GB is "storage". It's not cost, or turbidity, or torque. But that wasn't the question. Maybe answer that?

by ncmncm 4y ago

fluoridation 4y ago
You asked whether it's RAM or disk, and the answer you got was "storage". How does that not answer the question? Do you consider RAM storage?
- ncmncm 4y ago
  Yes, RAM is immediate storage. Disk/SSD is long-term storage. I would not have asked if I already knew the answer. I only asked again because I did not know the answer. Is that really surprising and offensive behavior? What do you do?
  - fluoridation 4y ago
    Okay, well, nowadays the word "storage", when used without any additional specificity, is understood to mean the non-volatile kind, and not the computer's main memory. I.e. the I/O device that's used to store files and/or the OS. Perhaps you didn't know this, but the person who first replied to you had no way of knowing that, they simply used a word in common usage in the sense it's usually given. If you were confused by this, you could have said something like "Well, what do you mean? Volatile or non-volatile storage?" and someone would have told you what I just told you. Instead you chose to reply as if that person was being a smartass by replying "it's 16 GB of either disk or RAM" (i.e. providing no new information whatsoever). If you engage with people assuming that they're not being stupid or liars and that they have good reasons to say the things they do, you'll usually have fewer conflicts.
    - ncmncm 4y ago
      I did not reply as if the person were being a smartass. I replied indicating the answer did not provide me the information I had asked for. The original question was utterly specific, so I asked again for an answer to that. "Volatile or non-volatile?" means exactly the same as what I asked. Repeating it would not add any more information. To assume I was calling anybody stupid or a liar is an extremely uncharitable interpretation. The reasonable one is that I did not get an answer to what I asked, exactly as I said.
      - fluoridation 4y ago
        Maybe you didn't intend to imply that the person was being a smartass, but it was how it came across. >I replied indicating the answer did not provide me the information I had asked for. Yes, and that's part of the problem. Part of it is how you phrased it. The "maybe answer that?" is particularly rude; you're being sarcastic to someone who's just helpfully answering an inquiry. But also the problem is that you didn't say "I don't understand what you mean". You said "maybe answer that". Phrases like "I don't understand what you mean" leave open whether it is you who's missing something or the other person who's saying something nonsensical and just focus on the fact that there's been a failure to communicate and signal that you just want to fix that. "Maybe answer the question" says that it is definitely not you who's not getting it and puts all the blame on the other person for at the very least not being clear enough.
        ncmncm 4y ago
        You are reading enormous hostility into a simple question. I hope you are never treated as badly for your earnest behavior as you think I deserve for mine.
        fluoridation 4y ago
        Me? Nah, I don't care. I willingly deal with openly hostile people for laughs. I'm just telling you why you got downvoted. If you want to get a different reaction next time, now you (hopefully) know how to do it. If you don't then just keep doing what you're doing, I guess.
imwillofficial 4y ago
It was a pretty bad question, don’t get all mad when people show you that you’re too lazy to even do the minimum amount of work before asking the question.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  I am not "all mad". The article manifestly did not say; if it had, or I already knew, I would not have needed to ask. If it were a "bad question", we would not still be talking about how it could have been answered informatively. It was, in fact, a very specific question, with zero space for misunderstanding. But the reply did not offer any information at all, so I asked for clarification. Downvoting people for asking for clarification (-4 already!) is just spiteful. It would have been less work for everybody to answer the question that was asked, the second time if not the first.

Obviously 15GB is "storage". It's not cost, or turbidity, or torque. But that wasn't the question. Maybe answer that?

by ncmncm 4y ago

Obviously 15GB is "storage". It's not cost, or turbidity, or torque. But that wasn't the question. Maybe answer that?

You asked whether it's RAM or disk, and the answer you got was "storage". How does that not answer the question? Do you consider RAM storage?

ncmncm 4y ago
Yes, RAM is immediate storage. Disk/SSD is long-term storage. I would not have asked if I already knew the answer. I only asked again because I did not know the answer. Is that really surprising and offensive behavior? What do you do?
- fluoridation 4y ago
  Okay, well, nowadays the word "storage", when used without any additional specificity, is understood to mean the non-volatile kind, and not the computer's main memory. I.e. the I/O device that's used to store files and/or the OS. Perhaps you didn't know this, but the person who first replied to you had no way of knowing that, they simply used a word in common usage in the sense it's usually given. If you were confused by this, you could have said something like "Well, what do you mean? Volatile or non-volatile storage?" and someone would have told you what I just told you. Instead you chose to reply as if that person was being a smartass by replying "it's 16 GB of either disk or RAM" (i.e. providing no new information whatsoever). If you engage with people assuming that they're not being stupid or liars and that they have good reasons to say the things they do, you'll usually have fewer conflicts.
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    I did not reply as if the person were being a smartass. I replied indicating the answer did not provide me the information I had asked for. The original question was utterly specific, so I asked again for an answer to that. "Volatile or non-volatile?" means exactly the same as what I asked. Repeating it would not add any more information. To assume I was calling anybody stupid or a liar is an extremely uncharitable interpretation. The reasonable one is that I did not get an answer to what I asked, exactly as I said.
    - fluoridation 4y ago
      Maybe you didn't intend to imply that the person was being a smartass, but it was how it came across. >I replied indicating the answer did not provide me the information I had asked for. Yes, and that's part of the problem. Part of it is how you phrased it. The "maybe answer that?" is particularly rude; you're being sarcastic to someone who's just helpfully answering an inquiry. But also the problem is that you didn't say "I don't understand what you mean". You said "maybe answer that". Phrases like "I don't understand what you mean" leave open whether it is you who's missing something or the other person who's saying something nonsensical and just focus on the fact that there's been a failure to communicate and signal that you just want to fix that. "Maybe answer the question" says that it is definitely not you who's not getting it and puts all the blame on the other person for at the very least not being clear enough.
      - ncmncm 4y ago
        You are reading enormous hostility into a simple question. I hope you are never treated as badly for your earnest behavior as you think I deserve for mine.
        fluoridation 4y ago
        Me? Nah, I don't care. I willingly deal with openly hostile people for laughs. I'm just telling you why you got downvoted. If you want to get a different reaction next time, now you (hopefully) know how to do it. If you don't then just keep doing what you're doing, I guess.

imwillofficial 4y ago

It was a pretty bad question, don’t get all mad when people show you that you’re too lazy to even do the minimum amount of work before asking the question.

ncmncm 4y ago
I am not "all mad". The article manifestly did not say; if it had, or I already knew, I would not have needed to ask. If it were a "bad question", we would not still be talking about how it could have been answered informatively. It was, in fact, a very specific question, with zero space for misunderstanding. But the reply did not offer any information at all, so I asked for clarification. Downvoting people for asking for clarification (-4 already!) is just spiteful. It would have been less work for everybody to answer the question that was asked, the second time if not the first.