That's also funny because one of selling points often starts with not needing to have separate ops people. And it always ends with a bunch of people doing esse

That's also funny because one of selling points often starts with not needing to have separate ops people. And it always ends with a bunch of people doing essentially same thing but with different job title. > AWS skills are as arcane or more than traditional hardware management skills; I’m not sure I could make the argument in good faith that you need less people overall with cloud. The main difference is that it is impossible to dig deep. You can do the deep dive, almost to the bare hardware level when you own the hardware. If you just call a bunch of APIs you're essentially talking with black box. Like, I do not exactly miss the time spent finding out why our Ceph cluster misbehaves and getting to some driver bug causing ~0.5-1% packet drop after few weeks running with irqbalance daemon on, but it is possible and it can be mitigated, meanwhile in cloud, black box, tough shit, live with it.