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The myths we live by... My remark is of a philosophical nature how a culture/society creates its myths and their role in the dynamics of elites and the subject

The myths we live by... My remark is of a philosophical nature how a culture/society creates its myths and their role in the dynamics of elites and the subjects. None of the comments, neither the original article nor on this thread cover even 1% of the reality on the origin of the crisis (energy), nor does it explain how the current EU energy market has been developed by whom and who it keeps in power, and what might be the solution (bashing Putin and puffin our proverbial chest is not it I know that much). How such medieval mentality that we display here and in general media (us vs Putin) is so pervasive gives little hope that we even care to know the truth, care for real solution, or even care for ourselves. There is just so much to unpack that there is no chance here from such a simple sentence.

actionfromafar 4y ago
To be fair, many other HN comment sections on this topic have discussed exactly these questions, including the history of the current energy mix.
- goatsneez 4y ago
  Im sure there were, however, from my point of view it seems (and Im not trying to fight that, just observing) the collective "mania" and false logic predicated on tribal mentality of emotions (for emotions can be controlled unlike reasoned populace) is thoroughly hammered into the populace . So, any thread, as you point out, has the nearly identical tones, emotions, and false claims.
  - actionfromafar 4y ago
    To be clear, during a hot war it can make logical sense to rally around "the cause". Sometimes the only appropriate answer to tribal, violent attack, is violence in return.
  - enjoy-your-stay 4y ago
    People are tribal and emotional about the invasion of Ukraine principally because they see that Russia is a bully, and people naturally revile bullying - even to the point that their creature comforts might be a bit disturbed when confronting the bully. I see that as a good thing.
emptysongglass 4y ago
You're throwing shade without presenting "the truth" as you see it. Perhaps if you uncloaked we might better be able to judge what the truth is according to you. The origin of the energy crisis is very clear: Germany's leaders have been instrumental in tying the cart to the horse of Russian energy for decades to the loud, repeated warnings of others. This is a crisis largely self-inflicted. Medieval mentality is what I'd use to describe Putin's belief in conquest as an acceptable act of negotiation in the 21st century. It is not. Humanity deserves better than people who believe in annexing their neighbors. Strong, unified condemnation is how the world says no, we do not accept. EDIT: here is just a taste of how Russians do war: they've turned Bakhmut into Mordor [1]. That is a medieval mentality. [1] https://libreddit.tiekoetter.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/xhvdj0/russians_bombing_bakhmut/ https://libreddit.tiekoetter.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/xh...
- beebeepka 4y ago
  Self inflicted for sure but what is the alternative? The US simply invades when they want/need something. The EU cannot, for a plethora of reasons. Resources is a zero sum game despite what the propaganda says

actionfromafar 4y ago

To be fair, many other HN comment sections on this topic have discussed exactly these questions, including the history of the current energy mix.

goatsneez 4y ago
Im sure there were, however, from my point of view it seems (and Im not trying to fight that, just observing) the collective "mania" and false logic predicated on tribal mentality of emotions (for emotions can be controlled unlike reasoned populace) is thoroughly hammered into the populace . So, any thread, as you point out, has the nearly identical tones, emotions, and false claims.
- actionfromafar 4y ago
  To be clear, during a hot war it can make logical sense to rally around "the cause". Sometimes the only appropriate answer to tribal, violent attack, is violence in return.
- enjoy-your-stay 4y ago
  People are tribal and emotional about the invasion of Ukraine principally because they see that Russia is a bully, and people naturally revile bullying - even to the point that their creature comforts might be a bit disturbed when confronting the bully. I see that as a good thing.

emptysongglass 4y ago

You're throwing shade without presenting "the truth" as you see it. Perhaps if you uncloaked we might better be able to judge what the truth is according to you. The origin of the energy crisis is very clear: Germany's leaders have been instrumental in tying the cart to the horse of Russian energy for decades to the loud, repeated warnings of others. This is a crisis largely self-inflicted. Medieval mentality is what I'd use to describe Putin's belief in conquest as an acceptable act of negotiation in the 21st century. It is not. Humanity deserves better than people who believe in annexing their neighbors. Strong, unified condemnation is how the world says no, we do not accept. EDIT: here is just a taste of how Russians do war: they've turned Bakhmut into Mordor [1]. That is a medieval mentality. [1] https://libreddit.tiekoetter.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/xhvdj0/russians_bombing_bakhmut/ https://libreddit.tiekoetter.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/xh...

beebeepka 4y ago
Self inflicted for sure but what is the alternative? The US simply invades when they want/need something. The EU cannot, for a plethora of reasons. Resources is a zero sum game despite what the propaganda says