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I respect your experience if indeed this is it. And of course it has to do with what you're used to. For me the experience has been the opposite. I could never

I respect your experience if indeed this is it. And of course it has to do with what you're used to. For me the experience has been the opposite. I could never get used to things not working fluidly enough. When I finally decided to embrace the level of integration apple devices provide, the world of pain that windows was to work with eased up a lot. Windows seemed a patchwork of things cobbled together with no real coordination, parts that don't work very well together, and messy visual/interaction design where the users' point of view hasn't been a priority.

bmitc 4y ago
I used a MacBook all through undergrad, grad school, and a few years into industry. I eventually moved to Windows after being tired of dealing with Apple-isms. The simple fact though is that macOS and/or the MacBook Pros I used for work simply could not handle my Dell monitor and Logitech peripherals, and that was with dedicated GPUs. And Apple often intentionally makes this so. For example, macOS does not support adjusting the brightness or volume on an external monitor unless it is an Apple monitor or one of two LG monitors they sell in the Apple Store, neither through the keyboard or directly in the OS. This is because Apple refuses to implement a protocol to support this. Neither MacBook Pro could drive my monitor without the clamshell closed. My Lenovo Thinkpad doesn’t even have a discrete GPU and drives my monitor fine, much better than the $2,000+ MacBook Pros I had. There are concrete things that just do not work on macOS or, if they do work, not work well. Lastly, macOS is a compromise in two wrong directions. One is that it’s not Linux, so the Unix experience is compromised and dealing with Homebrew is a pain. I constantly had trouble with asdf and other Linux tools on macOS that I never have issue with in WSL on Windows. It seems any tool on macOS needs several workarounds. That doesn’t exist on Windows for development tools because I directly use Linux through WSL. Then I get to use Windows for everything else, which has much more stable driver support. The other direction is macOS, which keeps moving towards a locked down, mobile-like experience.
- assttoasstmgr 4y ago
  Well for one, Linux isn't Unix. You'd know this if you ever lived through the treachery that was Proprietary Unix e.g. Solaris, HP-UX, IRIX. The maladies of the "Unix Experience" as you termed it is why people migrated to Linux. So you can consider macOS as carrying on the tradition that was the proprietary Unix shitfest.

bmitc 4y ago

I used a MacBook all through undergrad, grad school, and a few years into industry. I eventually moved to Windows after being tired of dealing with Apple-isms. The simple fact though is that macOS and/or the MacBook Pros I used for work simply could not handle my Dell monitor and Logitech peripherals, and that was with dedicated GPUs. And Apple often intentionally makes this so. For example, macOS does not support adjusting the brightness or volume on an external monitor unless it is an Apple monitor or one of two LG monitors they sell in the Apple Store, neither through the keyboard or directly in the OS. This is because Apple refuses to implement a protocol to support this. Neither MacBook Pro could drive my monitor without the clamshell closed. My Lenovo Thinkpad doesn’t even have a discrete GPU and drives my monitor fine, much better than the $2,000+ MacBook Pros I had. There are concrete things that just do not work on macOS or, if they do work, not work well. Lastly, macOS is a compromise in two wrong directions. One is that it’s not Linux, so the Unix experience is compromised and dealing with Homebrew is a pain. I constantly had trouble with asdf and other Linux tools on macOS that I never have issue with in WSL on Windows. It seems any tool on macOS needs several workarounds. That doesn’t exist on Windows for development tools because I directly use Linux through WSL. Then I get to use Windows for everything else, which has much more stable driver support. The other direction is macOS, which keeps moving towards a locked down, mobile-like experience.

assttoasstmgr 4y ago
Well for one, Linux isn't Unix. You'd know this if you ever lived through the treachery that was Proprietary Unix e.g. Solaris, HP-UX, IRIX. The maladies of the "Unix Experience" as you termed it is why people migrated to Linux. So you can consider macOS as carrying on the tradition that was the proprietary Unix shitfest.