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Can you link the model you purchased? I’m in the market for a new TV and Philips is literally in my backyard.

kstenerud 4y ago
Philips 32PHS5507/12: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B09ZHVSVYP https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B09ZHVSVYP For a larger TV (like 50-60 inches) a good on-paper power consumption amount would be between 50 and 70w. You can lower that drastically if the TV has an eco mode and is a dumb TV. In Europe they have to provide a "Product fiche" that lists a number of things including power draw, and an overall "grade". TVs basically never go below grade E because the rules are far too strict. Oh, also the power LED on this TV is SUPER ANNOYING! I had to open the TV (just a bunch of philips screws), pull out the IR receiver circuit board, and cover the LED with electrical tape (the LED, not the IR receiver).
- yurishimo 4y ago
  Ooof 768p is a dealbreaker for me unfortunately. Especially since it is meant to be used in a smaller room where you may be sitting closer. While I have your attention, are the energy ratings seen on electronic devices generally a big jump in real world usage between the various tiers? I just moved to the EU from the U.S. so all of this is very new to me. Thanks!
  - kstenerud 4y ago
    For TVs the jumps between grades isn't that big TBH, like maybe on the order of 10-15w per grade. You can get a feel for it by searching for TVs on one of the European amazon sites and clicking on the product fiche link for each one. My living room TV consumes 70w (as measured by me), which is not the best, but considering how often it's actually turned on it doesn't make enough of a difference. 10w of power draw equates to 3.5kwh per year if the TV is only on for an average of an hour per day, which would cost me a little over 1 euro. The reason why I replaced the bedroom TV was because it didn't have a shutoff timer, so it would stay on for days if I didn't notice, drawing 37w the whole time (325kwh, or 115 euros per year if it stayed on the whole year). The biggest ticket items for energy efficient replacement are any appliances that stay on long term (fridge), your oven if you use it a lot (get an air fryer or a combined microwave/grill), any computers that stay on all day, and anything with bad standby consumption (get an energy meter like this one: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MHNGWDM https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MHNGWDM). Also, if you need additional electrical heating in the winter, an oil heater is the most efficient. DeLonghi makes the best ones, for example https://www.amazon.de/-/en/DeLonghi-TRRS0920-electric-radiator-levels/dp/B00ZUUEBOQ https://www.amazon.de/-/en/DeLonghi-TRRS0920-electric-radiat... And never underestimate the savings from good insulation!
    - yurishimo 4y ago
      Thank you for the detailed write up! Luckily, I've moved into a brand new apartment so the energy efficiency is really great. The heating is in-floor radiant using the same gas boiler as the hot water in the apartment. Unfortunately, I apparently picked the worst country to move to when it comes to energy prices in the midst of this war. The Netherlands is absolutely screwing the population by not capping gas/electric prices. Hopefully things stabilize before the winter really sets in or I think many people will be driven to bankruptcy just to pay the electricity bill. My current rate is almost €1.10/kWh. When compared to the paltry 9¢ I was paying in the US, I about had a heart attack when I saw that rate. I'm trying to limit cooking and hot water, but only time will tell if my efforts are going to make a difference. In the meantime, I'm going down the street to the library to use their facilities and charge my laptop and download movies. I've only just arrived so I don't have any internet setup at home yet. I'm certainly going to have an interesting few months ahead!
  - MandieD 4y ago
    This looks similar - same features list, same standby power consumption, higher running power but not bad, no mention of Android TV, 1080p: "Philips 43PFS5507/12 43 Zoll LED Fernseher Für Kleinere Räume"[0] It so well answers what I want when the seldom-used 2010 55" Sony Bravia mounted above the piano goes that I'm considering buying one right now while Phillips is still selling them. Thanks for pointing me in this direction, kstenerud! [0] https://www.amazon.de/Philips-43PFS5507-12-Fernseher-TV/dp/B0B1QC77VJ https://www.amazon.de/Philips-43PFS5507-12-Fernseher-TV/dp/B...
    - yurishimo 4y ago
      Nice! 1080p is feasible. I would like 4K, but I haven't found any that seem to exclude smart features with that resolution. Likely because all of these units are old-new stock that hasn't sold in the past 5+ years. I might just need to do some work to find units that respect turning off the smart settings and don't become severely handicapped in the process. A European brand like Philips probably fits that bill better than most. I've heard horror stories about Samsung and Sony TVs attempting to phone home by any means necessary.
  - MandieD 4y ago
    One important thing to know about the EU energy ratings: there is a newer standard since 2021, and an appliance that was “A++” in the older standard might be “G” in the new, but the old rating is still on display because it wasn’t retested on the new. An image with the old and new labels side by side: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_818 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_...

Philips 32PHS5507/12: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B09ZHVSVYP https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B09ZHVSVYP For a larger TV (like 50-60 inches) a good on-paper power consumption amount would be between 50 and 70w. You can lower that drastically if the TV has an eco mode and is a dumb TV. In Europe they have to provide a "Product fiche" that lists a number of things including power draw, and an overall "grade". TVs basically never go below grade E because the rules are far too strict. Oh, also the power LED on this TV is SUPER ANNOYING! I had to open the TV (just a bunch of philips screws), pull out the IR receiver circuit board, and cover the LED with electrical tape (the LED, not the IR receiver).

yurishimo 4y ago
Ooof 768p is a dealbreaker for me unfortunately. Especially since it is meant to be used in a smaller room where you may be sitting closer. While I have your attention, are the energy ratings seen on electronic devices generally a big jump in real world usage between the various tiers? I just moved to the EU from the U.S. so all of this is very new to me. Thanks!
- kstenerud 4y ago
  For TVs the jumps between grades isn't that big TBH, like maybe on the order of 10-15w per grade. You can get a feel for it by searching for TVs on one of the European amazon sites and clicking on the product fiche link for each one. My living room TV consumes 70w (as measured by me), which is not the best, but considering how often it's actually turned on it doesn't make enough of a difference. 10w of power draw equates to 3.5kwh per year if the TV is only on for an average of an hour per day, which would cost me a little over 1 euro. The reason why I replaced the bedroom TV was because it didn't have a shutoff timer, so it would stay on for days if I didn't notice, drawing 37w the whole time (325kwh, or 115 euros per year if it stayed on the whole year). The biggest ticket items for energy efficient replacement are any appliances that stay on long term (fridge), your oven if you use it a lot (get an air fryer or a combined microwave/grill), any computers that stay on all day, and anything with bad standby consumption (get an energy meter like this one: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MHNGWDM https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MHNGWDM). Also, if you need additional electrical heating in the winter, an oil heater is the most efficient. DeLonghi makes the best ones, for example https://www.amazon.de/-/en/DeLonghi-TRRS0920-electric-radiator-levels/dp/B00ZUUEBOQ https://www.amazon.de/-/en/DeLonghi-TRRS0920-electric-radiat... And never underestimate the savings from good insulation!
  - yurishimo 4y ago
    Thank you for the detailed write up! Luckily, I've moved into a brand new apartment so the energy efficiency is really great. The heating is in-floor radiant using the same gas boiler as the hot water in the apartment. Unfortunately, I apparently picked the worst country to move to when it comes to energy prices in the midst of this war. The Netherlands is absolutely screwing the population by not capping gas/electric prices. Hopefully things stabilize before the winter really sets in or I think many people will be driven to bankruptcy just to pay the electricity bill. My current rate is almost €1.10/kWh. When compared to the paltry 9¢ I was paying in the US, I about had a heart attack when I saw that rate. I'm trying to limit cooking and hot water, but only time will tell if my efforts are going to make a difference. In the meantime, I'm going down the street to the library to use their facilities and charge my laptop and download movies. I've only just arrived so I don't have any internet setup at home yet. I'm certainly going to have an interesting few months ahead!
- MandieD 4y ago
  This looks similar - same features list, same standby power consumption, higher running power but not bad, no mention of Android TV, 1080p: "Philips 43PFS5507/12 43 Zoll LED Fernseher Für Kleinere Räume"[0] It so well answers what I want when the seldom-used 2010 55" Sony Bravia mounted above the piano goes that I'm considering buying one right now while Phillips is still selling them. Thanks for pointing me in this direction, kstenerud! [0] https://www.amazon.de/Philips-43PFS5507-12-Fernseher-TV/dp/B0B1QC77VJ https://www.amazon.de/Philips-43PFS5507-12-Fernseher-TV/dp/B...
  - yurishimo 4y ago
    Nice! 1080p is feasible. I would like 4K, but I haven't found any that seem to exclude smart features with that resolution. Likely because all of these units are old-new stock that hasn't sold in the past 5+ years. I might just need to do some work to find units that respect turning off the smart settings and don't become severely handicapped in the process. A European brand like Philips probably fits that bill better than most. I've heard horror stories about Samsung and Sony TVs attempting to phone home by any means necessary.
- MandieD 4y ago
  One important thing to know about the EU energy ratings: there is a newer standard since 2021, and an appliance that was “A++” in the older standard might be “G” in the new, but the old rating is still on display because it wasn’t retested on the new. An image with the old and new labels side by side: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_818 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_...