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>Is there a single Wayland supporter who finds the user experience to be better than X11? The immediately noticeable improvement with wayland is with respect t

>Is there a single Wayland supporter who finds the user experience to be better than X11? The immediately noticeable improvement with wayland is with respect to screen tearing, especially in multi-monitor rotated configurations. Screen tearing has always been an issue on x11, and while intel/amd drivers do a decent job in basic cases, things that don't work will likely never work given that x11 is mostly deprecated.

kelnos 4y ago
> Screen tearing has always been an issue on x11 Screen tearing has not been an issue on X11 for like... a decade? Granted, that's after development on Wayland started. Also I just don't get this obsession with screen tearing. I've experienced it on occasion in other context and I... just kinda don't care about it? Certainly if you're a video editing/creating/whatever professional, it actually matters for your job, but otherwise it's just cosmetic, and often hardly noticeable at all.
- twistedcheeslet 4y ago
  On X when in a Zoom call, if I drag any window around the whole DE starts tearing wildly to the point of it being very distracting. On Wayland, it's smooth as butter (or Windows or MacOS for that matter). This is just one very easy to replicate example. There are a bunch of other seemingly simple tasks that lead to some rather hideous tearing in X.
itvision 4y ago
I haven't had screen tearing under X.org for more than a decade. Both under NVIDIA and Intel. A nice made-up issue but it's made up.
- kjeetgill 4y ago
  Ah yes. Issues you don't have don't exist. Especially, with super consistent, trivial, uniform system components like graphics drivers, display servers, and compositors on linux. Famously stable, reliable, and uncomplicated.
  - itvision 4y ago
    NVIDIA: Option "metamodes" "nvidia-auto-select +0+0 {ForceCompositionPipeline=On, ForceFullCompositionPipeline=On}" Intel, AMD and X.org modeset driver: Option "TearFree" "On" You can even enable it at runtime: $ xrandr --output $output --set TearFree on Nouveau: No bloody idea, nouveau is broken. Sorry to break it to you or you're either using NVIDIA binary drivers or buy a different GPU. The issue does not exist. Period. If you have troubles enabling these options, I'm sorry for you. Linux in 2022 still requires to choose your HW wisely. If you don't like it/have a different PoV, it's not my problem, it is the status quo.
    - jwilk 4y ago
      Didn't help: (WW) modeset(0): Option "TearFree" is not used
    - scheeseman486 4y ago
      Those settings cause absolutely terrible latency and stutter on my system.
      - itvision 4y ago
        I've used these settings with four different Intel iGPUs and a single AMD GPU, and I've not experienced "terrible latency and stutter". Your report is not widely shared on the Internet either. Arch Wiki, unix.stackexchange.com, r/Linux, and others - none of them confirm it either. I'm almost sure it's down to your particular HW configuration.
- absove 4y ago
  I have noticeable screen tearing on vertical monitors right now when scrolling and dragging windows on Fedora 36/Gnome 42/Xorg/nouveau. Glad to know this issue doesn't exist so I can stop paying attention to it I guess.
jwilk 4y ago
Contrary to claims in sibling comments, tearing is definitely still a thing in X11. mpv has a whole FAQ section about it: https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/FAQ#tearing https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/FAQ#tearing Some of the solutions presented there are not mpv-specific, and some of them may even actually help.

kelnos 4y ago

> Screen tearing has always been an issue on x11 Screen tearing has not been an issue on X11 for like... a decade? Granted, that's after development on Wayland started. Also I just don't get this obsession with screen tearing. I've experienced it on occasion in other context and I... just kinda don't care about it? Certainly if you're a video editing/creating/whatever professional, it actually matters for your job, but otherwise it's just cosmetic, and often hardly noticeable at all.

twistedcheeslet 4y ago
On X when in a Zoom call, if I drag any window around the whole DE starts tearing wildly to the point of it being very distracting. On Wayland, it's smooth as butter (or Windows or MacOS for that matter). This is just one very easy to replicate example. There are a bunch of other seemingly simple tasks that lead to some rather hideous tearing in X.

itvision 4y ago

I haven't had screen tearing under X.org for more than a decade. Both under NVIDIA and Intel. A nice made-up issue but it's made up.

kjeetgill 4y ago
Ah yes. Issues you don't have don't exist. Especially, with super consistent, trivial, uniform system components like graphics drivers, display servers, and compositors on linux. Famously stable, reliable, and uncomplicated.
- itvision 4y ago
  NVIDIA: Option "metamodes" "nvidia-auto-select +0+0 {ForceCompositionPipeline=On, ForceFullCompositionPipeline=On}" Intel, AMD and X.org modeset driver: Option "TearFree" "On" You can even enable it at runtime: $ xrandr --output $output --set TearFree on Nouveau: No bloody idea, nouveau is broken. Sorry to break it to you or you're either using NVIDIA binary drivers or buy a different GPU. The issue does not exist. Period. If you have troubles enabling these options, I'm sorry for you. Linux in 2022 still requires to choose your HW wisely. If you don't like it/have a different PoV, it's not my problem, it is the status quo.
  - jwilk 4y ago
    Didn't help: (WW) modeset(0): Option "TearFree" is not used
  - scheeseman486 4y ago
    Those settings cause absolutely terrible latency and stutter on my system.
    - itvision 4y ago
      I've used these settings with four different Intel iGPUs and a single AMD GPU, and I've not experienced "terrible latency and stutter". Your report is not widely shared on the Internet either. Arch Wiki, unix.stackexchange.com, r/Linux, and others - none of them confirm it either. I'm almost sure it's down to your particular HW configuration.
absove 4y ago
I have noticeable screen tearing on vertical monitors right now when scrolling and dragging windows on Fedora 36/Gnome 42/Xorg/nouveau. Glad to know this issue doesn't exist so I can stop paying attention to it I guess.

jwilk 4y ago

Contrary to claims in sibling comments, tearing is definitely still a thing in X11. mpv has a whole FAQ section about it: https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/FAQ#tearing https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/FAQ#tearing Some of the solutions presented there are not mpv-specific, and some of them may even actually help.