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My new Philips dumb TV just arrived this weekend and I must say I'm impressed with the power draw. In default calibration, it draws 24w. But since it's in the b

My new Philips dumb TV just arrived this weekend and I must say I'm impressed with the power draw. In default calibration, it draws 24w. But since it's in the bedroom and is only used at night, I've set it to ultra-eco mode and lowered the brightness for night viewing. Now the TV along an Amazon Fire TV stick powered by its USB port draw a combined 13w! In standby mode, the power draw doesn't even register on my meter.

yurishimo 4y ago
Can you link the model you purchased? I’m in the market for a new TV and Philips is literally in my backyard.
- kstenerud 4y ago
  Philips 32PHS5507/12: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B09ZHVSVYP https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B09ZHVSVYP For a larger TV (like 50-60 inches) a good on-paper power consumption amount would be between 50 and 70w. You can lower that drastically if the TV has an eco mode and is a dumb TV. In Europe they have to provide a "Product fiche" that lists a number of things including power draw, and an overall "grade". TVs basically never go below grade E because the rules are far too strict. Oh, also the power LED on this TV is SUPER ANNOYING! I had to open the TV (just a bunch of philips screws), pull out the IR receiver circuit board, and cover the LED with electrical tape (the LED, not the IR receiver).
  - yurishimo 4y ago
    Ooof 768p is a dealbreaker for me unfortunately. Especially since it is meant to be used in a smaller room where you may be sitting closer. While I have your attention, are the energy ratings seen on electronic devices generally a big jump in real world usage between the various tiers? I just moved to the EU from the U.S. so all of this is very new to me. Thanks!
    - kstenerud 4y ago
      For TVs the jumps between grades isn't that big TBH, like maybe on the order of 10-15w per grade. You can get a feel for it by searching for TVs on one of the European amazon sites and clicking on the product fiche link for each one. My living room TV consumes 70w (as measured by me), which is not the best, but considering how often it's actually turned on it doesn't make enough of a difference. 10w of power draw equates to 3.5kwh per year if the TV is only on for an average of an hour per day, which would cost me a little over 1 euro. The reason why I replaced the bedroom TV was because it didn't have a shutoff timer, so it would stay on for days if I didn't notice, drawing 37w the whole time (325kwh, or 115 euros per year if it stayed on the whole year). The biggest ticket items for energy efficient replacement are any appliances that stay on long term (fridge), your oven if you use it a lot (get an air fryer or a combined microwave/grill), any computers that stay on all day, and anything with bad standby consumption (get an energy meter like this one: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MHNGWDM https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MHNGWDM). Also, if you need additional electrical heating in the winter, an oil heater is the most efficient. DeLonghi makes the best ones, for example https://www.amazon.de/-/en/DeLonghi-TRRS0920-electric-radiator-levels/dp/B00ZUUEBOQ https://www.amazon.de/-/en/DeLonghi-TRRS0920-electric-radiat... And never underestimate the savings from good insulation!
      - yurishimo 4y ago
        Thank you for the detailed write up! Luckily, I've moved into a brand new apartment so the energy efficiency is really great. The heating is in-floor radiant using the same gas boiler as the hot water in the apartment. Unfortunately, I apparently picked the worst country to move to when it comes to energy prices in the midst of this war. The Netherlands is absolutely screwing the population by not capping gas/electric prices. Hopefully things stabilize before the winter really sets in or I think many people will be driven to bankruptcy just to pay the electricity bill. My current rate is almost €1.10/kWh. When compared to the paltry 9¢ I was paying in the US, I about had a heart attack when I saw that rate. I'm trying to limit cooking and hot water, but only time will tell if my efforts are going to make a difference. In the meantime, I'm going down the street to the library to use their facilities and charge my laptop and download movies. I've only just arrived so I don't have any internet setup at home yet. I'm certainly going to have an interesting few months ahead!

yurishimo 4y ago

Can you link the model you purchased? I’m in the market for a new TV and Philips is literally in my backyard.

kstenerud 4y ago
Philips 32PHS5507/12: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B09ZHVSVYP https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B09ZHVSVYP For a larger TV (like 50-60 inches) a good on-paper power consumption amount would be between 50 and 70w. You can lower that drastically if the TV has an eco mode and is a dumb TV. In Europe they have to provide a "Product fiche" that lists a number of things including power draw, and an overall "grade". TVs basically never go below grade E because the rules are far too strict. Oh, also the power LED on this TV is SUPER ANNOYING! I had to open the TV (just a bunch of philips screws), pull out the IR receiver circuit board, and cover the LED with electrical tape (the LED, not the IR receiver).
- yurishimo 4y ago
  Ooof 768p is a dealbreaker for me unfortunately. Especially since it is meant to be used in a smaller room where you may be sitting closer. While I have your attention, are the energy ratings seen on electronic devices generally a big jump in real world usage between the various tiers? I just moved to the EU from the U.S. so all of this is very new to me. Thanks!
  - kstenerud 4y ago
    For TVs the jumps between grades isn't that big TBH, like maybe on the order of 10-15w per grade. You can get a feel for it by searching for TVs on one of the European amazon sites and clicking on the product fiche link for each one. My living room TV consumes 70w (as measured by me), which is not the best, but considering how often it's actually turned on it doesn't make enough of a difference. 10w of power draw equates to 3.5kwh per year if the TV is only on for an average of an hour per day, which would cost me a little over 1 euro. The reason why I replaced the bedroom TV was because it didn't have a shutoff timer, so it would stay on for days if I didn't notice, drawing 37w the whole time (325kwh, or 115 euros per year if it stayed on the whole year). The biggest ticket items for energy efficient replacement are any appliances that stay on long term (fridge), your oven if you use it a lot (get an air fryer or a combined microwave/grill), any computers that stay on all day, and anything with bad standby consumption (get an energy meter like this one: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MHNGWDM https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MHNGWDM). Also, if you need additional electrical heating in the winter, an oil heater is the most efficient. DeLonghi makes the best ones, for example https://www.amazon.de/-/en/DeLonghi-TRRS0920-electric-radiator-levels/dp/B00ZUUEBOQ https://www.amazon.de/-/en/DeLonghi-TRRS0920-electric-radiat... And never underestimate the savings from good insulation!
    - yurishimo 4y ago
      Thank you for the detailed write up! Luckily, I've moved into a brand new apartment so the energy efficiency is really great. The heating is in-floor radiant using the same gas boiler as the hot water in the apartment. Unfortunately, I apparently picked the worst country to move to when it comes to energy prices in the midst of this war. The Netherlands is absolutely screwing the population by not capping gas/electric prices. Hopefully things stabilize before the winter really sets in or I think many people will be driven to bankruptcy just to pay the electricity bill. My current rate is almost €1.10/kWh. When compared to the paltry 9¢ I was paying in the US, I about had a heart attack when I saw that rate. I'm trying to limit cooking and hot water, but only time will tell if my efforts are going to make a difference. In the meantime, I'm going down the street to the library to use their facilities and charge my laptop and download movies. I've only just arrived so I don't have any internet setup at home yet. I'm certainly going to have an interesting few months ahead!