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And youre against easy transportation around the state because ...? edit ... im gonna go in with im am voting NO for fixing any major, non trucking roads in t

And youre against easy transportation around the state because ...? edit ... im gonna go in with im am voting NO for fixing any major, non trucking roads in the future. your future hybrid SUV better have wings and graceful landings.

Rebelgecko 4y ago
The following ideas are not mutually exclusive: 1. Easy transportation around the state is a good idea 2. If the original plan was to build 500 miles of high speed rail from SF to LA for $33b by 2029, but what we actually get in the year 2030 is 120 miles of HSR from Merced to Bakersfield for $120b, maybe the project is a mismanaged mess
- Gibbon1 4y ago
  That's simply false. And you know that. They've spent about 10.3 billion so far not all of which has been spent on the central valley section. And this spring they approved 4.2 billion to finish the initial section. So we're talking 13 billion for 100 miles. One tenth your claim. Worse for the Nimby's and industry funded AstroTurf groups is the last court challenges have failed. And so the courts can no longer be used to slow things down either. All they can do is continue to pay for doom and gloom articles to be published.
  - Justin_K 4y ago
    What's your source? Wikipedia cites several sources at a budget of over 100m. The fact is this project is over 4x the initial budget sold to voters. It's a total money pit and political scam. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail#:~:text=In%20addition%2C%20the%20cost%20of,35%20percent%20opposed%20continuing%20it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail#:....
    - Arnt 4y ago
      What's 4×, in more detail? Let me describe a project I know: This thing was approved and is now well over budget. This happened because they decided to increase capacity by about 50% after getting approval, because of additional noise insulation required, and because construction prices have increased by perhaps 20% in the last couple of years. These added up to a doubling or a little more. Could you describe the components of that HSR 4× overrun in a similar level of detail?
      - Justin_K 4y ago
        Follow the link
        Arnt 4y ago
        I read it a while ago. At a glance it doesn't seem to have changed much. Which part do you have in mind?
  - egberts1 4y ago
    Wow. Can’t find an article to back up your extraneous claim.
    - Gibbon1 4y ago
      - masonic 4y ago
        People can't "research" your imaginary numbers.
        Gibbon1 4y ago
        https://hsr.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/2020_Business_Plan.pdf https://hsr.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/2020_Business_...
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Rebelgecko 4y ago

The following ideas are not mutually exclusive: 1. Easy transportation around the state is a good idea 2. If the original plan was to build 500 miles of high speed rail from SF to LA for $33b by 2029, but what we actually get in the year 2030 is 120 miles of HSR from Merced to Bakersfield for $120b, maybe the project is a mismanaged mess

Gibbon1 4y ago
That's simply false. And you know that. They've spent about 10.3 billion so far not all of which has been spent on the central valley section. And this spring they approved 4.2 billion to finish the initial section. So we're talking 13 billion for 100 miles. One tenth your claim. Worse for the Nimby's and industry funded AstroTurf groups is the last court challenges have failed. And so the courts can no longer be used to slow things down either. All they can do is continue to pay for doom and gloom articles to be published.
- Justin_K 4y ago
  What's your source? Wikipedia cites several sources at a budget of over 100m. The fact is this project is over 4x the initial budget sold to voters. It's a total money pit and political scam. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail#:~:text=In%20addition%2C%20the%20cost%20of,35%20percent%20opposed%20continuing%20it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail#:....
  - Arnt 4y ago
    What's 4×, in more detail? Let me describe a project I know: This thing was approved and is now well over budget. This happened because they decided to increase capacity by about 50% after getting approval, because of additional noise insulation required, and because construction prices have increased by perhaps 20% in the last couple of years. These added up to a doubling or a little more. Could you describe the components of that HSR 4× overrun in a similar level of detail?
    - Justin_K 4y ago
      Follow the link
      - Arnt 4y ago
        I read it a while ago. At a glance it doesn't seem to have changed much. Which part do you have in mind?
- egberts1 4y ago
  Wow. Can’t find an article to back up your extraneous claim.
  - Gibbon1 4y ago
    - masonic 4y ago
      People can't "research" your imaginary numbers.
      - Gibbon1 4y ago
        https://hsr.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/2020_Business_Plan.pdf https://hsr.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/2020_Business_...
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