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> All the government needs to do is literally nothing. Just get out of the way! If the government gets out of the way everywhere, the class system and caste s

> All the government needs to do is literally nothing. Just get out of the way! If the government gets out of the way everywhere, the class system and caste system will be back withing 3 months People think free market capitalism is the natural - thats just propaganda. Feudalism is natural, thats why it existed for 10 thousand years.

forrestthewoods 4y ago
It's a good thing I didn't propose they get out of the way everywhere. I also suggested the government could simply pay for college directly. The loan model is the worst of both worlds.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > I also suggested the government could simply pay for college directly. It's just the best investment we could make. We wouldn't have to worry that anyone's potential got wasted if everyone could easily go to college, and people could switch careers more easily. It would just raise the general competence level of the population and probably instantly start lowering crime. Skilled people without crippling debt. We should do socialized healthcare and make them healthy, too.
antisthenes 4y ago
The first part of your argument is true, but the 2nd hyperbolic one is factually false and detracts from the first. Consider phrasing it differently.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  I am sorry, I don't understand whas is it you believe - if you agree part 1 is true, and class system will be back, how can you disbelieve that Feudalism will be back? A class system is the defining feature of feudalism - if you are born into a class and may never escape, and if higher classes have more legal priviliges than you do, thats no longer capitalism we know and love/hate/tolerate.
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  - hither_shores 4y ago
    Feudalism, to the extent that it's a coherent concept at all, refers to a particular form of social organization prominent in medieval Europe. It is not a catch-all for all premodern societies.
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throw_m239339 4y ago
> If the government gets out of the way everywhere, the class system and caste system will be back withing 3 months The class system is already there. Not everybody can go to Harvard or all the elite colleges. So what are you talking about exactly? If the government wants poor people to go to college, then the government needs to give scholarships to these people, not loans that can't be done away through bankruptcy, let's the banks take all the risks, that's their job.

forrestthewoods 4y ago

It's a good thing I didn't propose they get out of the way everywhere. I also suggested the government could simply pay for college directly. The loan model is the worst of both worlds.

pessimizer 4y ago
> I also suggested the government could simply pay for college directly. It's just the best investment we could make. We wouldn't have to worry that anyone's potential got wasted if everyone could easily go to college, and people could switch careers more easily. It would just raise the general competence level of the population and probably instantly start lowering crime. Skilled people without crippling debt. We should do socialized healthcare and make them healthy, too.

antisthenes 4y ago

The first part of your argument is true, but the 2nd hyperbolic one is factually false and detracts from the first. Consider phrasing it differently.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
I am sorry, I don't understand whas is it you believe - if you agree part 1 is true, and class system will be back, how can you disbelieve that Feudalism will be back? A class system is the defining feature of feudalism - if you are born into a class and may never escape, and if higher classes have more legal priviliges than you do, thats no longer capitalism we know and love/hate/tolerate.
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- hither_shores 4y ago
  Feudalism, to the extent that it's a coherent concept at all, refers to a particular form of social organization prominent in medieval Europe. It is not a catch-all for all premodern societies.
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throw_m239339 4y ago

> If the government gets out of the way everywhere, the class system and caste system will be back withing 3 months The class system is already there. Not everybody can go to Harvard or all the elite colleges. So what are you talking about exactly? If the government wants poor people to go to college, then the government needs to give scholarships to these people, not loans that can't be done away through bankruptcy, let's the banks take all the risks, that's their job.