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> it should be obvious that there is much more to learn about writing or communication Are those skills valuable enough to warrant a 500k usd loan? clearly not

> it should be obvious that there is much more to learn about writing or communication Are those skills valuable enough to warrant a 500k usd loan? clearly not, or else they should have no problem repaying it.

woodruffw 4y ago
You still haven't substantiated that number. With regards to value: do you actually want to live in a society where the sole metric for human worth is one's predicted salary? That sounds miserable.
- nightski 4y ago
  Last time I looked average student loan debt was around 30k. Not 500k. Yet we still hear all the time about how that is crippling. So much so that we need the taxpayer to come in and pay off all these loans for college graduates. So even at 30k it sounds like these degrees are not even adequate to pay off those loans. I wish we'd normalize furthering your education later in life after establishing a career and having more funds to do so. It should be less about advancing your career and more about improving and expanding oneself anytime in adulthood.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    Thank you for responding with the actual number. Yes: even 30k in debt can be crippling, and there is a complex of macroeconomic pressures (like liberal arts jobs concentrating in HCOL areas) that make getting out from under that debt much more difficult than it otherwise would be. That being said, the solution is not to disincentivize people from getting liberal arts degrees. It's to just make college cheaper, the way every other developed nation does, and to ensure ample non-undergraduate career paths for anybody who is merely going to college because they're told "it's the thing to do." > I wish we'd normalize furthering your education later in life after establishing a career and having more funds to do so. I agree completely!
giaour 4y ago
I have heard of six figure student debt, but only in the context of recent graduates of MD, JD, and MBA programs (all of which are very expensive and generally lead to lucrative careers). Have you ever actually heard of someone who amassed $500K in student debt to get an undergraduate degree?

woodruffw 4y ago

You still haven't substantiated that number. With regards to value: do you actually want to live in a society where the sole metric for human worth is one's predicted salary? That sounds miserable.

nightski 4y ago
Last time I looked average student loan debt was around 30k. Not 500k. Yet we still hear all the time about how that is crippling. So much so that we need the taxpayer to come in and pay off all these loans for college graduates. So even at 30k it sounds like these degrees are not even adequate to pay off those loans. I wish we'd normalize furthering your education later in life after establishing a career and having more funds to do so. It should be less about advancing your career and more about improving and expanding oneself anytime in adulthood.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  Thank you for responding with the actual number. Yes: even 30k in debt can be crippling, and there is a complex of macroeconomic pressures (like liberal arts jobs concentrating in HCOL areas) that make getting out from under that debt much more difficult than it otherwise would be. That being said, the solution is not to disincentivize people from getting liberal arts degrees. It's to just make college cheaper, the way every other developed nation does, and to ensure ample non-undergraduate career paths for anybody who is merely going to college because they're told "it's the thing to do." > I wish we'd normalize furthering your education later in life after establishing a career and having more funds to do so. I agree completely!

giaour 4y ago

I have heard of six figure student debt, but only in the context of recent graduates of MD, JD, and MBA programs (all of which are very expensive and generally lead to lucrative careers). Have you ever actually heard of someone who amassed $500K in student debt to get an undergraduate degree?