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I don't know what you consider government, but the public schools I attended constantly told students that you had to go to college to be successful, no matter

I don't know what you consider government, but the public schools I attended constantly told students that you had to go to college to be successful, no matter what degree you got.

gruez 4y ago
>but the public schools I attended constantly told students that you had to go to college to be successful, no matter what degree you got. I'm not sure what the exact messaging your school told, but I imagine it's something to the effect of "degree holders earn x% more than non-degree holders on average", which is a true statement. The "on average" part might not been stressed, but anyone with rudimentary knowledge of how the labor market works (ie. some jobs pay more than other jobs) should be able to figure out that earning potential by degree varies.
- bradleyjg 4y ago
  The rudimentary knowledge in question (and the cognitive tools to work through the implications) are supposed to be provided by the very institutions deceiving students. The educational system utterly fails at equipping every graduate with the knowledge and skills to succeed in the modern economy in the 14 years they have already. Why are we giving them four more years of everyone’s life and hundreds of billions of dollars more money?
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- pxeboot 4y ago
  > I'm not sure what the exact messaging your school told It's been a long time, but if I recall correctly, funding and rankings were partially determined by the number of high school graduates continuing on to college. There was constant pressure to take the right classes and participate in the right activities to meet college admissions requirements. The messaging came from administrators, teachers and counselors.
aidenn0 4y ago
To a certain degree that's revealed itself to be true (if self-fulfilling). Many jobs that don't require a college degree hire college grads because they can get them and these days not having a college degree is, similar to not having a job currently, a red-flag.
- bradleyjg 4y ago
  Exactly. We are in a trillion dollar signaling arms race funded by the federal taxpayer.
  - aidenn0 4y ago
    Indeed, so my point was it's not wrong for high schools to tell you to take government money to keep up with the Joneses in the arms race. Unilaterally disarming is seldom the winning move.
- aortega 4y ago
  > Many jobs that don't require a college degree hire college grads because they can get them Exactly, that's the scam. Requiring a 'Tax' that you pay the college that is nothing but a useless piece of paper, that makes you lose years and enslave you in debt.

I don't know what you consider government, but the public schools I attended constantly told students that you had to go to college to be successful, no matter what degree you got.

gruez 4y ago

>but the public schools I attended constantly told students that you had to go to college to be successful, no matter what degree you got. I'm not sure what the exact messaging your school told, but I imagine it's something to the effect of "degree holders earn x% more than non-degree holders on average", which is a true statement. The "on average" part might not been stressed, but anyone with rudimentary knowledge of how the labor market works (ie. some jobs pay more than other jobs) should be able to figure out that earning potential by degree varies.

bradleyjg 4y ago
The rudimentary knowledge in question (and the cognitive tools to work through the implications) are supposed to be provided by the very institutions deceiving students. The educational system utterly fails at equipping every graduate with the knowledge and skills to succeed in the modern economy in the 14 years they have already. Why are we giving them four more years of everyone’s life and hundreds of billions of dollars more money?
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pxeboot 4y ago
> I'm not sure what the exact messaging your school told It's been a long time, but if I recall correctly, funding and rankings were partially determined by the number of high school graduates continuing on to college. There was constant pressure to take the right classes and participate in the right activities to meet college admissions requirements. The messaging came from administrators, teachers and counselors.

aidenn0 4y ago

To a certain degree that's revealed itself to be true (if self-fulfilling). Many jobs that don't require a college degree hire college grads because they can get them and these days not having a college degree is, similar to not having a job currently, a red-flag.

bradleyjg 4y ago
Exactly. We are in a trillion dollar signaling arms race funded by the federal taxpayer.
- aidenn0 4y ago
  Indeed, so my point was it's not wrong for high schools to tell you to take government money to keep up with the Joneses in the arms race. Unilaterally disarming is seldom the winning move.
aortega 4y ago
> Many jobs that don't require a college degree hire college grads because they can get them Exactly, that's the scam. Requiring a 'Tax' that you pay the college that is nothing but a useless piece of paper, that makes you lose years and enslave you in debt.