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Wayland is not GNOME, what you describe is not Wayland problem, but GNOME problem. It's possible in both KDE and Sway. GNOME is probably worst DE imaginable.

by wooque 4y ago

Wayland is not GNOME, what you describe is not Wayland problem, but GNOME problem. It's possible in both KDE and Sway. GNOME is probably worst DE imaginable. After 20 years, they still don't have thumbnails in filepicker and even dropped preview side pane in GTK4. I can't even.

slimsag 4y ago
With X11, I can change scroll speed using the `imwheel` tool. Years ago with Ubuntu and ElementaryOS, I could change it in the system settings GUI. Today, with Wayland now default, I can't change it at all when running Ubuntu or ElementaryOS. You can say this is a GNOME problem, or a distro problem, or whatever. But at the end of the day, I installed two of the most popular Linux distro's out there and my scrolling is literally unusable - and I can't fix it without apparently installing an entirely different desktop environment or a patched version of libinput.
- eddyb 4y ago
  GNOME has kind of always been on the opposite end of the configurability spectrum from KDE, IME. But also I'm not super clear on how libinput fits into the picture, I think there used to be some Synaptics-specific integration in certain places that I never went back to, to confirm the differences (switched to libinput several years before, and I've completely forgotten since what I was trying to solve back then). Anyway, I ended up writing a mostly-personal-anecdote below, that would likely not help, so you can probably skip it (if you do want to try anything, KUbuntu and https://neon.kde.org https://neon.kde.org are both on top of Ubuntu, and there's other distros, but I've not kept up with any distro I might recommend) --- I tried Ubuntu (w/ the GNOME default) once (back in KDE 4 times IIRC) and the lack of almost any flexibility felt like I was stuck in a sandbox (a literal one, like from when we were kids, not that it's easy to remember that far back). The only other time I felt like that was when a friend gave me their old iPhone (6 IIRC?) "to see what it's like" and I had to give up trying it out because both the OS, and the few apps I could find (for its max supported iOS version), had random chunks of features missing (tbh I should've jailbroken it, then it'd just be one more piece of hardware I have no immediate use for - but I digress) KDE is far from perfect (switched to Wayland recently, and been tracking a few QoL leaps in the next couple releases), but I can at least try to tweak it - same goes for using NixOS or ZFS tbh (not going to even defend those, but I have done both Gentoo-like shenanigans, and randomly RAIDed a dual-SSD laptop, respectively, quite painlessly despite not preparing for it from the start, and the weirdness budget is personally paid for a thousandfold). Meanwhile I run into e.g. GNOME apps using libadwaita nowadays needing environment variables (that appear deprecated?) to apply the KDE gtk integration theme so they don't stick out like a desaturated winamp skin. I've never felt like "power user" applied well to myself, like I'm not doing the equivalent of weight-lifting for computers, never want to be doing sysadmin if I can avoid it, I just want to have enough control to make things seamlessly neat for myself. Opinionated defaults are great in the same way you'd set up a house for a marketing reel, but if I actually buy it, why would I have to deal with a landlord telling me I can't paint the walls or move/replace some furniture to maximize my comfort? The "personal" in "personal computing" is supposed to be the same as the one in "personal property", and so I'd have similar expectations of "can screw with it without asking for permision" for both (modulo real estate being seen as an investment, and building codes, etc. - should've picked a smaller example than a house, oh well). To stretch the house analogy further, just like I have leased (some corporation's) private property as office spaces, I would be fine to doing the same (also for business reasons) with e.g. a cloud platform (most likely through GHA, whenever they announce the paid tiers) - tho be fair to everyone, this applies far more to walled gardens than opensource software like GNOME. Also, to be clear about the "sandbox" thing: sandboxes (and/or ideally more objcap systems) are great, and I think that the XDG Portal work is incredible for what it allows: the apps are getting sandboxed, the user getting more power over them. Even without Flatpak (which I keep meaning to try out), I was happy to see e.g. the KDE Wayland screenshare dialog outright has an option for "create virtual screen" (which can further be configured in the KDE settings, and e.g. partially overlapped with a physical monitor, etc.). If the app was in charge, they would barely enumerate some of the windows correctly, let alone provide new virtual screens.
  - tannhaeuser 4y ago
    So what are you using or recommending? Recently switched to kubuntu from gnome-ubuntu, and while some pain points have gone away (lack of global menu can partially be kindof mitigated, didn't have to fiddle with touch acceleration like on 20.04), I'm not impressed: middle-click gets in the way a lot and can't be switched off, power mgmt tray is lagging badly behind power events, weird dock preview and not-so-great app switching, somewhat fiddly touch targeting at times, FF crashing, updates not smooth, insists on chromium as default browser, point-/tasteless Windows-y sounds and looks, ... All the while there are ZERO GUI apps or other capabilities I'm using that I didn't already use 15 or 20 years ago. Eying a return to Mac OS which at least doesn't feel like you're treated as guinea pig by dicks with attitudes. Linux notebooks seem barely good enough for uninspired enterprise work on bloated IDEs and Docker/other container crap only there because said dicks couldn't agree on a set of (really old) lib versions and gui toolkits.
    - dotancohen 4y ago
      > middle-click gets in the way a lot and can't be switched off, What do you mean by this? What happens when you middle click, that you don't want or expect to happen? > not-so-great app switching How do you like your app switching? I agree that the default isn't great, but in System Settings you can tweak it beyond all reason. I can help if you tell me what you want. > FF crashing I haven't had that happen. What addons do you have in Firefox? > insists on chromium as default browser Again, System Settings. Or, from within the Firefox settings, there might be a way to set it as default. > apps or other capabilities I'm using that I didn't already use 15 or 20 years ago What apps or capabilities do you feel are missing?
      - tannhaeuser 4y ago
        Half of the time I want to press right-click or even left-click on the touch pad it actually registers as middle-click which is very annoying as it means a window gets closed rather than focussed; don't want middle-click at all. Undesired Middle-click-paste also happens a lot. When I click a link from Thunderbird (weirdly as it sounds when Thunderbird is a Mozilla app) it opens chromium; dialog to set FF as default doesn't change this. I need to retest and maybe reconfigure app switching from a (vertical) dock as you say; just doesn't feel fluent as it is. Occasional FF crashing should probably be addressed at Moz. Maybe it's because FF on gnome gets more usage and testing. Btw, does SuSE (or Manjaro) still have a global-menu patch for FF because kubuntu (understandably) doesn't maintain such patches?
- kaba0 4y ago
  Welcome to the bazaar style of development. But don’t blame it on wayland what isn’t its fault.
- simion314 4y ago
  >You can say this is a GNOME problem, or a distro problem, or whatever. But at the end of the day, I installed two of the most popular Linux distro's out there and my scrolling is literally unusable You chose GNOME , the answer is you are not the target of the GNOME project, they target people with weak minds that would instantly faint if they see a configuration screen with options. So you are using it wrong, with GNOME you bend your mind and body to work as the GNOME self proclaimed UX experts think things should work. If you decide you want options try KDE, but you are free to complain about GNOME, it will be a waste of time, reality and rationality do not affect people with giant EGOs in power at GNOME.
  - rollcat 4y ago
    > You chose GNOME , the answer is you are not the target of the GNOME project, they target people with weak minds that would instantly faint if they see a configuration screen with options. GNOME's problem is not the lack of configuration options, but lack of empathy. They stubbornly refuse to address (sometimes, even acknowledge) their own users' problems. > If you decide you want options try KDE [...] You don't solve this problem with more options. You solve it by understanding your users' needs. I want a desktop that just works. KDE's promise is I can make it work if I can keep tweaking it; GNOME's promise is it should work if I'm willing to accept the compromises. Both of these options suck.
    - simion314 4y ago
      >GNOME's problem is not the lack of configuration options, but lack of empathy. They stubbornly refuse to address (sometimes, even acknowledge) their own users' problems. I would agree that this is also a problem, so GNOME has many problems. But IMO is the big EGO s in charge that cause this lack of empathy. I will disagree that you can get a Desktop that is perfect for everyone, Kubuntu or whatever KDE distro could do a survey and come with the most popular configuration by default but for sure it would be something like What value you prefer for X ? - 45% prefer A - 25% prefer B - 15% prefer C - 5% prefer D - the rest prefer E, F, G or H so at best you have 45% happy users and 55% of users that need to change an option , but if you are an extremist of no options then you screw the 55%. And this is what GNOME did, they told their users that don\t like the feature removal or changes to leave.
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gpm 4y ago
> Wayland is not GNOME, what you describe is not Wayland problem, but GNOME problem. Which in turn is the biggest problem with wayland. We are fragmenting the ecosystem with every window manager dealing with shared problems in their own custom way, because wayland only takes responsibility for a tiny fraction of the common things that every window manager does.
- xani_ 4y ago
  Maybe we should put a layer on top of wayland with all of the common stuff that DE uses funneled into common APIs. Like, all the eXtras DM needs We could call it X-Wayland
  - ColonelPhantom 4y ago
    XWayland already exists and is the name for X.org running on Wayland, to enable X11 apps to run on Wayland desktops. You may be interested to learn about wl-roots though. It's a project that I think originated from sway, and it aims to provide most of the low-level plumbing for writing your own Wayland window manager/desktop environment.
    - xani_ 4y ago
      I know, twas a joke
      - kwhitefoot 4y ago
        But others, less well informed than you, probably don't know about XWayland so the response is quite helpful.
  - IceWreck 4y ago
    You mean something like wlroots ? Sway made it initially but others are using it too. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots
- kaba0 4y ago
xani_ 4y ago
No, it's wayland architecture problem. It forces every single DE that will use it to reinvent same thing. There is no good reason to do that, just a lot of duplicated effort. You will not want to have different mouse behaviour when you use different WM. Having it pluggable is fine, even desired, but pushing it on every DE is just waste of effort and just bumps the bar required for any DE to move to wayland. > GNOME is probably worst DE imaginable. After 20 years, they still don't have thumbnails in filepicker and even dropped preview side pane in GTK4. I can't even. For me it peaked somewhere in 1.x, 2.x was prettier version of it, after that they completely lost me. And their constant dumb arrogance with assuming what their users want is just cherry on cake of shit. And the "fuck the compatibility, just change APIs will nilly" attitude they got after 2.x
- kaba0 4y ago
  That is exactly what libraries are for, not protocols. Should Web Standards mandate the use of a given JS implementation because it hinders the creation of new ones? Also, the million+1 “de” under X are more like skins, there is absolutely no reason for them to exist in that form, they could just build on top of another wayland compositor.
  - xani_ 4y ago
    Okay ? It can be lib. Just make wayland use it, not be thing every DE needs to. DE shouldn't care about where the mouse movement data comes from and should not need to compensate based on device.
    - kaba0 4y ago
      There is no wayland.exe, it is a protocol.
      - dotancohen 4y ago
        But there is an implementation - to that GP was referring.
newtwilly 4y ago
No it's not possible in a newer LTS (> 20.04, don't have laptop on hand) Ubuntu KDE. There's no scroll speed configuration, as sibling comments discuss. Switching driver to libinput or whatever made it configurable, but other bugs popped up, and suddenly every accidental palm touch sent my cursor clicking somewhere.
pmontra 4y ago
Gnome on Ubuntu 20.04 does have thumbnails in file picker. I checked that right now before clicking Reply: Slack, upload from your computer, click on PNG, the thumbnail appears to the right of the file list.
- ksala_ 4y ago
  What they meant is having thumbnail instead of the icon, so that you can quickly see a preview of all the files instead of having to select them one by one. This article was somewhat recently shared and it explains the whole ordeal https://jayfax.neocities.org/mediocrity/gnome-has-no-thumbnails-in-the-file-picker.html https://jayfax.neocities.org/mediocrity/gnome-has-no-thumbna... (contains snarky language). It’s a small(-ish) issue but people often share it as a good example of their frustration with the way Gnome is managed - the bug report has been open for years, there has been several patches proposed, but they’ve always been either rejected or ignored with no discussion. My personal (and similar) pet peeve is that typing in the window will trigger a search instead of selecting the file matching the key like in every other OS.
  - j-james 4y ago
    I have had success getting typeahead search working again in some applications with https://github.com/lah7/gtk3-classic https://github.com/lah7/gtk3-classic.
    - pmontra 4y ago
      Well, I switched to Nemo to fix that problem.
skerit 4y ago
> GNOME is probably worst DE imaginable I agree. And yet I also still use GNOME. I just really like the GTK aesthetic. And you'll have to pry dash-to-dock from my cold, dead hands.
- Jenz 4y ago
  I’m sure this goes for a lot of people, me as well for some time; but in the end, the problems simply became too much for me— so I’m curious, how long have you been using Gnome?
- j-james 4y ago
  Same here, only with Dash to Panel. But man - I have so many workarounds for standard functionality GNOME either breaks or refuses to implement. A symlink in place of /usr/bin/gnome-terminal, patch sets for GTK 3, custom scripts to work around that you can't configure the screenshot folder... https://github.com/home-sweet-gnome/dash-to-panel https://github.com/home-sweet-gnome/dash-to-panel
customkitchen 4y ago
>GNOME is probably worst DE imaginable. After 20 years, they still don't have thumbnails in filepicker and even dropped preview side pane in GTK4. Really disappointing to see this very lazy and trite criticism upvoted. If you look in KDE Plasma or Sway, you can also find plenty of missing features and bugs. You can find those anywhere.
3np 4y ago
There may be GNOME specific issues as well but I also noticed the other week FF scrolling being bonkers in sway (just a light swipe can "smooth scroll" across several screenfulls way too fast and long, with several seconds of slow trailing scrolling) but not under i3 (IIRC it might even have been fine in sway when running under XWayland). I don't recall the details but got back to somewhat sane behavior with some non-obvious about:config changes.

by wooque 4y ago

slimsag 4y ago

With X11, I can change scroll speed using the `imwheel` tool. Years ago with Ubuntu and ElementaryOS, I could change it in the system settings GUI. Today, with Wayland now default, I can't change it at all when running Ubuntu or ElementaryOS. You can say this is a GNOME problem, or a distro problem, or whatever. But at the end of the day, I installed two of the most popular Linux distro's out there and my scrolling is literally unusable - and I can't fix it without apparently installing an entirely different desktop environment or a patched version of libinput.

eddyb 4y ago
GNOME has kind of always been on the opposite end of the configurability spectrum from KDE, IME. But also I'm not super clear on how libinput fits into the picture, I think there used to be some Synaptics-specific integration in certain places that I never went back to, to confirm the differences (switched to libinput several years before, and I've completely forgotten since what I was trying to solve back then). Anyway, I ended up writing a mostly-personal-anecdote below, that would likely not help, so you can probably skip it (if you do want to try anything, KUbuntu and https://neon.kde.org https://neon.kde.org are both on top of Ubuntu, and there's other distros, but I've not kept up with any distro I might recommend) --- I tried Ubuntu (w/ the GNOME default) once (back in KDE 4 times IIRC) and the lack of almost any flexibility felt like I was stuck in a sandbox (a literal one, like from when we were kids, not that it's easy to remember that far back). The only other time I felt like that was when a friend gave me their old iPhone (6 IIRC?) "to see what it's like" and I had to give up trying it out because both the OS, and the few apps I could find (for its max supported iOS version), had random chunks of features missing (tbh I should've jailbroken it, then it'd just be one more piece of hardware I have no immediate use for - but I digress) KDE is far from perfect (switched to Wayland recently, and been tracking a few QoL leaps in the next couple releases), but I can at least try to tweak it - same goes for using NixOS or ZFS tbh (not going to even defend those, but I have done both Gentoo-like shenanigans, and randomly RAIDed a dual-SSD laptop, respectively, quite painlessly despite not preparing for it from the start, and the weirdness budget is personally paid for a thousandfold). Meanwhile I run into e.g. GNOME apps using libadwaita nowadays needing environment variables (that appear deprecated?) to apply the KDE gtk integration theme so they don't stick out like a desaturated winamp skin. I've never felt like "power user" applied well to myself, like I'm not doing the equivalent of weight-lifting for computers, never want to be doing sysadmin if I can avoid it, I just want to have enough control to make things seamlessly neat for myself. Opinionated defaults are great in the same way you'd set up a house for a marketing reel, but if I actually buy it, why would I have to deal with a landlord telling me I can't paint the walls or move/replace some furniture to maximize my comfort? The "personal" in "personal computing" is supposed to be the same as the one in "personal property", and so I'd have similar expectations of "can screw with it without asking for permision" for both (modulo real estate being seen as an investment, and building codes, etc. - should've picked a smaller example than a house, oh well). To stretch the house analogy further, just like I have leased (some corporation's) private property as office spaces, I would be fine to doing the same (also for business reasons) with e.g. a cloud platform (most likely through GHA, whenever they announce the paid tiers) - tho be fair to everyone, this applies far more to walled gardens than opensource software like GNOME. Also, to be clear about the "sandbox" thing: sandboxes (and/or ideally more objcap systems) are great, and I think that the XDG Portal work is incredible for what it allows: the apps are getting sandboxed, the user getting more power over them. Even without Flatpak (which I keep meaning to try out), I was happy to see e.g. the KDE Wayland screenshare dialog outright has an option for "create virtual screen" (which can further be configured in the KDE settings, and e.g. partially overlapped with a physical monitor, etc.). If the app was in charge, they would barely enumerate some of the windows correctly, let alone provide new virtual screens.
- tannhaeuser 4y ago
  So what are you using or recommending? Recently switched to kubuntu from gnome-ubuntu, and while some pain points have gone away (lack of global menu can partially be kindof mitigated, didn't have to fiddle with touch acceleration like on 20.04), I'm not impressed: middle-click gets in the way a lot and can't be switched off, power mgmt tray is lagging badly behind power events, weird dock preview and not-so-great app switching, somewhat fiddly touch targeting at times, FF crashing, updates not smooth, insists on chromium as default browser, point-/tasteless Windows-y sounds and looks, ... All the while there are ZERO GUI apps or other capabilities I'm using that I didn't already use 15 or 20 years ago. Eying a return to Mac OS which at least doesn't feel like you're treated as guinea pig by dicks with attitudes. Linux notebooks seem barely good enough for uninspired enterprise work on bloated IDEs and Docker/other container crap only there because said dicks couldn't agree on a set of (really old) lib versions and gui toolkits.
  - dotancohen 4y ago
    > middle-click gets in the way a lot and can't be switched off, What do you mean by this? What happens when you middle click, that you don't want or expect to happen? > not-so-great app switching How do you like your app switching? I agree that the default isn't great, but in System Settings you can tweak it beyond all reason. I can help if you tell me what you want. > FF crashing I haven't had that happen. What addons do you have in Firefox? > insists on chromium as default browser Again, System Settings. Or, from within the Firefox settings, there might be a way to set it as default. > apps or other capabilities I'm using that I didn't already use 15 or 20 years ago What apps or capabilities do you feel are missing?
    - tannhaeuser 4y ago
      Half of the time I want to press right-click or even left-click on the touch pad it actually registers as middle-click which is very annoying as it means a window gets closed rather than focussed; don't want middle-click at all. Undesired Middle-click-paste also happens a lot. When I click a link from Thunderbird (weirdly as it sounds when Thunderbird is a Mozilla app) it opens chromium; dialog to set FF as default doesn't change this. I need to retest and maybe reconfigure app switching from a (vertical) dock as you say; just doesn't feel fluent as it is. Occasional FF crashing should probably be addressed at Moz. Maybe it's because FF on gnome gets more usage and testing. Btw, does SuSE (or Manjaro) still have a global-menu patch for FF because kubuntu (understandably) doesn't maintain such patches?
kaba0 4y ago
Welcome to the bazaar style of development. But don’t blame it on wayland what isn’t its fault.
simion314 4y ago
>You can say this is a GNOME problem, or a distro problem, or whatever. But at the end of the day, I installed two of the most popular Linux distro's out there and my scrolling is literally unusable You chose GNOME , the answer is you are not the target of the GNOME project, they target people with weak minds that would instantly faint if they see a configuration screen with options. So you are using it wrong, with GNOME you bend your mind and body to work as the GNOME self proclaimed UX experts think things should work. If you decide you want options try KDE, but you are free to complain about GNOME, it will be a waste of time, reality and rationality do not affect people with giant EGOs in power at GNOME.
- rollcat 4y ago
  > You chose GNOME , the answer is you are not the target of the GNOME project, they target people with weak minds that would instantly faint if they see a configuration screen with options. GNOME's problem is not the lack of configuration options, but lack of empathy. They stubbornly refuse to address (sometimes, even acknowledge) their own users' problems. > If you decide you want options try KDE [...] You don't solve this problem with more options. You solve it by understanding your users' needs. I want a desktop that just works. KDE's promise is I can make it work if I can keep tweaking it; GNOME's promise is it should work if I'm willing to accept the compromises. Both of these options suck.
  - simion314 4y ago
    >GNOME's problem is not the lack of configuration options, but lack of empathy. They stubbornly refuse to address (sometimes, even acknowledge) their own users' problems. I would agree that this is also a problem, so GNOME has many problems. But IMO is the big EGO s in charge that cause this lack of empathy. I will disagree that you can get a Desktop that is perfect for everyone, Kubuntu or whatever KDE distro could do a survey and come with the most popular configuration by default but for sure it would be something like What value you prefer for X ? - 45% prefer A - 25% prefer B - 15% prefer C - 5% prefer D - the rest prefer E, F, G or H so at best you have 45% happy users and 55% of users that need to change an option , but if you are an extremist of no options then you screw the 55%. And this is what GNOME did, they told their users that don\t like the feature removal or changes to leave.
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gpm 4y ago

> Wayland is not GNOME, what you describe is not Wayland problem, but GNOME problem. Which in turn is the biggest problem with wayland. We are fragmenting the ecosystem with every window manager dealing with shared problems in their own custom way, because wayland only takes responsibility for a tiny fraction of the common things that every window manager does.

xani_ 4y ago
Maybe we should put a layer on top of wayland with all of the common stuff that DE uses funneled into common APIs. Like, all the eXtras DM needs We could call it X-Wayland
- ColonelPhantom 4y ago
  XWayland already exists and is the name for X.org running on Wayland, to enable X11 apps to run on Wayland desktops. You may be interested to learn about wl-roots though. It's a project that I think originated from sway, and it aims to provide most of the low-level plumbing for writing your own Wayland window manager/desktop environment.
  - xani_ 4y ago
    I know, twas a joke
    - kwhitefoot 4y ago
      But others, less well informed than you, probably don't know about XWayland so the response is quite helpful.
- IceWreck 4y ago
  You mean something like wlroots ? Sway made it initially but others are using it too. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots
kaba0 4y ago

xani_ 4y ago

No, it's wayland architecture problem. It forces every single DE that will use it to reinvent same thing. There is no good reason to do that, just a lot of duplicated effort. You will not want to have different mouse behaviour when you use different WM. Having it pluggable is fine, even desired, but pushing it on every DE is just waste of effort and just bumps the bar required for any DE to move to wayland. > GNOME is probably worst DE imaginable. After 20 years, they still don't have thumbnails in filepicker and even dropped preview side pane in GTK4. I can't even. For me it peaked somewhere in 1.x, 2.x was prettier version of it, after that they completely lost me. And their constant dumb arrogance with assuming what their users want is just cherry on cake of shit. And the "fuck the compatibility, just change APIs will nilly" attitude they got after 2.x

kaba0 4y ago
That is exactly what libraries are for, not protocols. Should Web Standards mandate the use of a given JS implementation because it hinders the creation of new ones? Also, the million+1 “de” under X are more like skins, there is absolutely no reason for them to exist in that form, they could just build on top of another wayland compositor.
- xani_ 4y ago
  Okay ? It can be lib. Just make wayland use it, not be thing every DE needs to. DE shouldn't care about where the mouse movement data comes from and should not need to compensate based on device.
  - kaba0 4y ago
    There is no wayland.exe, it is a protocol.
    - dotancohen 4y ago
      But there is an implementation - to that GP was referring.

newtwilly 4y ago

No it's not possible in a newer LTS (> 20.04, don't have laptop on hand) Ubuntu KDE. There's no scroll speed configuration, as sibling comments discuss. Switching driver to libinput or whatever made it configurable, but other bugs popped up, and suddenly every accidental palm touch sent my cursor clicking somewhere.

pmontra 4y ago

Gnome on Ubuntu 20.04 does have thumbnails in file picker. I checked that right now before clicking Reply: Slack, upload from your computer, click on PNG, the thumbnail appears to the right of the file list.

ksala_ 4y ago
What they meant is having thumbnail instead of the icon, so that you can quickly see a preview of all the files instead of having to select them one by one. This article was somewhat recently shared and it explains the whole ordeal https://jayfax.neocities.org/mediocrity/gnome-has-no-thumbnails-in-the-file-picker.html https://jayfax.neocities.org/mediocrity/gnome-has-no-thumbna... (contains snarky language). It’s a small(-ish) issue but people often share it as a good example of their frustration with the way Gnome is managed - the bug report has been open for years, there has been several patches proposed, but they’ve always been either rejected or ignored with no discussion. My personal (and similar) pet peeve is that typing in the window will trigger a search instead of selecting the file matching the key like in every other OS.
- j-james 4y ago
  I have had success getting typeahead search working again in some applications with https://github.com/lah7/gtk3-classic https://github.com/lah7/gtk3-classic.
  - pmontra 4y ago
    Well, I switched to Nemo to fix that problem.

skerit 4y ago

> GNOME is probably worst DE imaginable I agree. And yet I also still use GNOME. I just really like the GTK aesthetic. And you'll have to pry dash-to-dock from my cold, dead hands.

Jenz 4y ago
I’m sure this goes for a lot of people, me as well for some time; but in the end, the problems simply became too much for me— so I’m curious, how long have you been using Gnome?
j-james 4y ago
Same here, only with Dash to Panel. But man - I have so many workarounds for standard functionality GNOME either breaks or refuses to implement. A symlink in place of /usr/bin/gnome-terminal, patch sets for GTK 3, custom scripts to work around that you can't configure the screenshot folder... https://github.com/home-sweet-gnome/dash-to-panel https://github.com/home-sweet-gnome/dash-to-panel

customkitchen 4y ago

>GNOME is probably worst DE imaginable. After 20 years, they still don't have thumbnails in filepicker and even dropped preview side pane in GTK4. Really disappointing to see this very lazy and trite criticism upvoted. If you look in KDE Plasma or Sway, you can also find plenty of missing features and bugs. You can find those anywhere.

3np 4y ago

There may be GNOME specific issues as well but I also noticed the other week FF scrolling being bonkers in sway (just a light swipe can "smooth scroll" across several screenfulls way too fast and long, with several seconds of slow trailing scrolling) but not under i3 (IIRC it might even have been fine in sway when running under XWayland). I don't recall the details but got back to somewhat sane behavior with some non-obvious about:config changes.