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As a rule of thumb, if the ballot measure is incomprehensible, you're safe in voting against it (which, obnoxiously enough, can sometimes mean voting yes) Ther

As a rule of thumb, if the ballot measure is incomprehensible, you're safe in voting against it (which, obnoxiously enough, can sometimes mean voting yes) There is never a good reason for using language this obtuse, but there's lots of bad reasons. This measure in particular seems engineered to be just clear enough to be upheld by a judge, but also sufficiently obfuscated so that the public doesn't know what it's actually voting on.

TaylorAlexander 4y ago
> you're safe in voting against it (which, obnoxiously enough, can sometimes mean voting yes) Sure but if you literally cannot understand it, it may be difficult to determine whether voting against it means voting yes or no.
- ChadNauseam 4y ago
  I don’t know, but my assumption as a voter would be that voting no is always a vote for the status quo
  - idontpost 4y ago
    And you would be wrong.
antiterra 4y ago
The wording was awful but not malicious. The proposition passed by 87%, reducing the amount of school-allocated property taxes the disabled and elderly need to pay. Politically it was the perfect intersection of lowering taxes and social support program. The main reason for the verbal atrocity is legislators had to cram a more or less complete description into a single sentence, per constitutional requirements.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > The main reason for the verbal atrocity is legislators had to cram a more or less complete description into a single sentence, per constitutional requirements. Or the other common reason, that they campaigned on getting a measure to the ballot that has voter support, but they don't want it to pass. The first thing you do is come up with a confusing text with extra points for double negatives, and you follow that up with a confusing media campaign. You may fail, and it passes with 87%, but sometimes if you work hard enough you can get Illinois to vote down a progressive income tax.

TaylorAlexander 4y ago

> you're safe in voting against it (which, obnoxiously enough, can sometimes mean voting yes) Sure but if you literally cannot understand it, it may be difficult to determine whether voting against it means voting yes or no.

ChadNauseam 4y ago
I don’t know, but my assumption as a voter would be that voting no is always a vote for the status quo
- idontpost 4y ago
  And you would be wrong.

antiterra 4y ago

The wording was awful but not malicious. The proposition passed by 87%, reducing the amount of school-allocated property taxes the disabled and elderly need to pay. Politically it was the perfect intersection of lowering taxes and social support program. The main reason for the verbal atrocity is legislators had to cram a more or less complete description into a single sentence, per constitutional requirements.

pessimizer 4y ago
> The main reason for the verbal atrocity is legislators had to cram a more or less complete description into a single sentence, per constitutional requirements. Or the other common reason, that they campaigned on getting a measure to the ballot that has voter support, but they don't want it to pass. The first thing you do is come up with a confusing text with extra points for double negatives, and you follow that up with a confusing media campaign. You may fail, and it passes with 87%, but sometimes if you work hard enough you can get Illinois to vote down a progressive income tax.