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I'd say for smooth desktop experience, Nvidia is a bad option in general (at least yet). They only very recently started caring about addressing Wayland support

by shmerl 4y ago

I'd say for smooth desktop experience, Nvidia is a bad option in general (at least yet). They only very recently started caring about addressing Wayland support and a lot of things are rough becasue of that. Plus it will be a long time before their kernel driver is upstreamed, and a lot of the above depends on that. So I strongly recommend AMD for good modern Linux desktop experience.

smoldesu 4y ago
I agree, but that doesn't make it any less valuable of a metric. Nvidia cards are extremely widespread, reporting the performance on Nvidia hardware does a good job of representing what a lot of people will experience. Furthermore, Nvidia made inroads for Wayland support years ago, GNOME just refused to adopt it. Nvidia's terms were always that Wayland implimentations could adopt EGLstreams whenever they wanted, and that GBM would not be considered an acceptable alternative until it was faster. Their so-called hostility towards the Linux desktop mostly amounts to not contributing to GNOME and making their drivers proprietary for so long. In that sense, they're about as evil as webkit contributors who don't fix x86-linux bugs.
- shmerl 4y ago
  That whole GBM debacle was simply their masking of a deeper problem. They can't interoperate with the kernel properly because their driver module is not GPL compliant. And proper Wayland support relies on a lot of kernel (DRM) functionality. They have to do convoluted dance workarounds to address the above. Basically, Nvidia will never work really well on Wayland until their kernel driver is upstreamed. This year they finally decided to open source their kernel module. But it's still some road for them to get to upstreaming.
- customkitchen 4y ago
  >GNOME just refused to adopt it No idea where you heard that information but it is extremely incorrect. See here: https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNOME-Mutter-Mainline-EGLStream https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNOME-Mutter-Mainline-EGLStrea... https://www.phoronix.com/news/NVIDIA-Better-EGLStreams-Mutt https://www.phoronix.com/news/NVIDIA-Better-EGLStreams-Mutt
- bobajeff 4y ago
  >webkit contributors who don't fix x86-linux bugs. Webkit on Linux is in a very sad state. Currently can't watch videos on YouTube on Twitch. Not sure why.

by shmerl 4y ago

smoldesu 4y ago

I agree, but that doesn't make it any less valuable of a metric. Nvidia cards are extremely widespread, reporting the performance on Nvidia hardware does a good job of representing what a lot of people will experience. Furthermore, Nvidia made inroads for Wayland support years ago, GNOME just refused to adopt it. Nvidia's terms were always that Wayland implimentations could adopt EGLstreams whenever they wanted, and that GBM would not be considered an acceptable alternative until it was faster. Their so-called hostility towards the Linux desktop mostly amounts to not contributing to GNOME and making their drivers proprietary for so long. In that sense, they're about as evil as webkit contributors who don't fix x86-linux bugs.

shmerl 4y ago
That whole GBM debacle was simply their masking of a deeper problem. They can't interoperate with the kernel properly because their driver module is not GPL compliant. And proper Wayland support relies on a lot of kernel (DRM) functionality. They have to do convoluted dance workarounds to address the above. Basically, Nvidia will never work really well on Wayland until their kernel driver is upstreamed. This year they finally decided to open source their kernel module. But it's still some road for them to get to upstreaming.
customkitchen 4y ago
>GNOME just refused to adopt it No idea where you heard that information but it is extremely incorrect. See here: https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNOME-Mutter-Mainline-EGLStream https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNOME-Mutter-Mainline-EGLStrea... https://www.phoronix.com/news/NVIDIA-Better-EGLStreams-Mutt https://www.phoronix.com/news/NVIDIA-Better-EGLStreams-Mutt
bobajeff 4y ago
>webkit contributors who don't fix x86-linux bugs. Webkit on Linux is in a very sad state. Currently can't watch videos on YouTube on Twitch. Not sure why.