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>to the doubters, there is 0 car OS ecosystem, tesla proved it, it has to be built from the ground up, it's the perfect opportunity to create an alternative to

>to the doubters, there is 0 car OS ecosystem, tesla proved it, it has to be built from the ground up, it's the perfect opportunity to create an alternative to iOS/Android Counterpoint: I will not buy a car that does not support Apple CarPlay. That includes Tesla. I don’t want to deal with whatever proprietary garbage the manufacturer wants to run. I don’t want to sync contacts and settings to some half assed service a car manufacturer created. Nope. I won’t even entertain buying a car that doesn’t support CarPlay.

Kukumber 4y ago
I agree with you, proprietary software is a thing of the past If it's not open and opensource, it is dead on arrival
Spivak 4y ago
Well yeah, because everything except Android Auto and CarPlay are garbage. I think it’s very possible that if a not garbage entrant not affiliated with an existing mobile OS but also not tied to particular manufacturers popped up it might sway people. The tie in with the OS might not end up being that important, Spotify is bigger than Apple Music and YT Music after all so platforms don’t have infinite lock-in power.
Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
Your phone and your car have no reason , absolutely no reason to be connected to one amnother You can just do a one time log in on all your accounts via the car OS and stay logged in on your phone at the same time. The rest of the world doesnt have this dependency because they dont communicate via calls and iMessage but via Whatsapp/wechat calls and whatsapp/wechat texts If anything the high reliance on a tyrannical ecosystem such as Apple underlines the high sensitivity of the public toward corporate cults and the power of advertising over masses. Ridiculing people who have android phones because of the “green text” is a national pastime which has by and large surpassed baseball which in fairness was already evident in the era of Windows complete dominance over the desktop OS market …but at least the Microsoft ecosystem is free of charge (if you know where to look for it) given that from the early days the philosophy at Redmond is to turn a blind eye on piracy.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  CarPlay navigation displayed on the large, easy-to-see, and easy-to-touch screen in the car is hugely better (and IMO safer) than any OEM Nav system, which are IME universally between utter garbage and merely outdated.
  - Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
    Again, its carplay or googlemaps or bingmaps, but there is no reason to connect the phone. Google , Microsoft , Meta… they are software companies, thats what they do. If VW or Stellantis comes to them asking to do their satnav app they wont refuse. Its easy to list all the bad UI but remember that BMW pioneered the central console wheel back in 2005. Car OEMs generally know better given that they build the actual car , especially the interior When car OEMs try to copy phones you have disasters such as touchscreens and absence of physical buttons which is a trend that the maniacs over at tesla started and needs to be rolled back ASAP because it is dangerous and bad design
    - sokoloff 4y ago
      How is CarPlay not connecting the phone to the car? I’m not following what you’re suggesting here.
      - Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
        if you need a map that doesnt suck VW can pay apple or msft or google to build an app for their own proprietary car OS. Kinda like Excel for Mac.
        sokoloff 4y ago
        So, today, I should connect my phone to my car?
  - Kon-Peki 4y ago
    No no no no. I mean yes, of course, put CarPlay/Android Auto into the Porsches. But the rest of it - no way. EVs have already passed the ICE in terms of performance and speed. Cars like the 911, Mustang, Miata, etc need to be about the driving experience, the sound, the feel. They need to return to their roots. Ford was right to keep the manual transmission + V8 in the next-gen Mustang, but it's way too tech'ed out. Fail. The current-gen Mustang is going to end up being the collector's item in 15 years when everyone is daily-driving an EV. Likewise, Porsche needs to return the 911 to a naturally-aspirated H6 with a manual transmission, and a small touchscreen for CarPlay. Even better if it folds or slides out of the way for the 99% of the time you aren't using it. Because when you are driving a 911 a decade from now, you aren't going to be using it. If you need it, you're driving your Taycan or whatever other EV you have.

Kukumber 4y ago

I agree with you, proprietary software is a thing of the past If it's not open and opensource, it is dead on arrival

Spivak 4y ago

Well yeah, because everything except Android Auto and CarPlay are garbage. I think it’s very possible that if a not garbage entrant not affiliated with an existing mobile OS but also not tied to particular manufacturers popped up it might sway people. The tie in with the OS might not end up being that important, Spotify is bigger than Apple Music and YT Music after all so platforms don’t have infinite lock-in power.

Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago

Your phone and your car have no reason , absolutely no reason to be connected to one amnother You can just do a one time log in on all your accounts via the car OS and stay logged in on your phone at the same time. The rest of the world doesnt have this dependency because they dont communicate via calls and iMessage but via Whatsapp/wechat calls and whatsapp/wechat texts If anything the high reliance on a tyrannical ecosystem such as Apple underlines the high sensitivity of the public toward corporate cults and the power of advertising over masses. Ridiculing people who have android phones because of the “green text” is a national pastime which has by and large surpassed baseball which in fairness was already evident in the era of Windows complete dominance over the desktop OS market …but at least the Microsoft ecosystem is free of charge (if you know where to look for it) given that from the early days the philosophy at Redmond is to turn a blind eye on piracy.

sokoloff 4y ago
CarPlay navigation displayed on the large, easy-to-see, and easy-to-touch screen in the car is hugely better (and IMO safer) than any OEM Nav system, which are IME universally between utter garbage and merely outdated.
- Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
  Again, its carplay or googlemaps or bingmaps, but there is no reason to connect the phone. Google , Microsoft , Meta… they are software companies, thats what they do. If VW or Stellantis comes to them asking to do their satnav app they wont refuse. Its easy to list all the bad UI but remember that BMW pioneered the central console wheel back in 2005. Car OEMs generally know better given that they build the actual car , especially the interior When car OEMs try to copy phones you have disasters such as touchscreens and absence of physical buttons which is a trend that the maniacs over at tesla started and needs to be rolled back ASAP because it is dangerous and bad design
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    How is CarPlay not connecting the phone to the car? I’m not following what you’re suggesting here.
    - Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
      if you need a map that doesnt suck VW can pay apple or msft or google to build an app for their own proprietary car OS. Kinda like Excel for Mac.
      - sokoloff 4y ago
        So, today, I should connect my phone to my car?
- Kon-Peki 4y ago
  No no no no. I mean yes, of course, put CarPlay/Android Auto into the Porsches. But the rest of it - no way. EVs have already passed the ICE in terms of performance and speed. Cars like the 911, Mustang, Miata, etc need to be about the driving experience, the sound, the feel. They need to return to their roots. Ford was right to keep the manual transmission + V8 in the next-gen Mustang, but it's way too tech'ed out. Fail. The current-gen Mustang is going to end up being the collector's item in 15 years when everyone is daily-driving an EV. Likewise, Porsche needs to return the 911 to a naturally-aspirated H6 with a manual transmission, and a small touchscreen for CarPlay. Even better if it folds or slides out of the way for the 99% of the time you aren't using it. Because when you are driving a 911 a decade from now, you aren't going to be using it. If you need it, you're driving your Taycan or whatever other EV you have.