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> What “additional fees on top of replacing the part” are you talking about? At this point I'm not even sure you understand what's being discussed, but I thoug

by tmh88j 4y ago

> What “additional fees on top of replacing the part” are you talking about? At this point I'm not even sure you understand what's being discussed, but I thought it was blatantly obvious > At 1500km/932 miles, the functionality is taken away automatically, and you are then software blocked from using the full capabilities of a vehicle you purchased until you pay for it to be unblocked.

avalys 4y ago
I think you’re the one who’s not following the thread you’re responding to here. Why don’t you look at the post I immediately responded to - the author mentioned a more specific scenario than the post you quoted.
- tmh88j 4y ago
  Am I being trolled by a bot right now? It's very obvious the comment you responded to is in line with what I've been saying. > It will be interesting to see what happens if one of the "subscription" hardware parts that has been deactivated has a problem that renders the rest of the bike unusable I don't know how else to make it clear. You've defended numerous times paying fees to use hardware that's already been paid for. I don't understand how you're so enthusiastic about paying twice.
  - avalys 4y ago
    The comment I was responding to asked: > what happens if one of the "subscription" hardware parts that has been deactivated has a problem that renders the rest of the bike unusable. In this hypothetical scenario (which is quite unlikely in the first place), you pay for the hardware once when you buy the bike, and again if it were to hypothetically fail out of warranty and disable the bike. My point is that this is the same as any other out-of-warranty hardware component. You are imagining a different situation, I guess, and asking what happens if you are paying for a subscription for this functionality and the required hardware fails out of warranty. I don't know about that but the article doesn't actually talk about a subscription at all. And regarding being enthusiastic about paying twice: in my mind, parts cost for the subsystems we're talking about here is just completely inconsequential. And so the two groups that are griping here are: A) People complaining about paying what amounts to $25 extra for some sensors and electronic components they're "not going to use". B) People complaining about paying $25 in the base price and $475 in software upgrades, rather than $500 as a single line item, for something they would have bought anyway. I think both groups are being silly. And yes, I don't really care about "paying twice". If you think the result here is that the total cost of the KTM is too high relative to the competition - well that is a really boring complaint. You can always go buy another bike.

by tmh88j 4y ago

avalys 4y ago

I think you’re the one who’s not following the thread you’re responding to here. Why don’t you look at the post I immediately responded to - the author mentioned a more specific scenario than the post you quoted.

tmh88j 4y ago
Am I being trolled by a bot right now? It's very obvious the comment you responded to is in line with what I've been saying. > It will be interesting to see what happens if one of the "subscription" hardware parts that has been deactivated has a problem that renders the rest of the bike unusable I don't know how else to make it clear. You've defended numerous times paying fees to use hardware that's already been paid for. I don't understand how you're so enthusiastic about paying twice.
- avalys 4y ago
  The comment I was responding to asked: > what happens if one of the "subscription" hardware parts that has been deactivated has a problem that renders the rest of the bike unusable. In this hypothetical scenario (which is quite unlikely in the first place), you pay for the hardware once when you buy the bike, and again if it were to hypothetically fail out of warranty and disable the bike. My point is that this is the same as any other out-of-warranty hardware component. You are imagining a different situation, I guess, and asking what happens if you are paying for a subscription for this functionality and the required hardware fails out of warranty. I don't know about that but the article doesn't actually talk about a subscription at all. And regarding being enthusiastic about paying twice: in my mind, parts cost for the subsystems we're talking about here is just completely inconsequential. And so the two groups that are griping here are: A) People complaining about paying what amounts to $25 extra for some sensors and electronic components they're "not going to use". B) People complaining about paying $25 in the base price and $475 in software upgrades, rather than $500 as a single line item, for something they would have bought anyway. I think both groups are being silly. And yes, I don't really care about "paying twice". If you think the result here is that the total cost of the KTM is too high relative to the competition - well that is a really boring complaint. You can always go buy another bike.