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Yes, that will help convince people that GW is real and needs attention, and isn't just being overhyped an excuse for pushing socialism. Seriously, this is one

Yes, that will help convince people that GW is real and needs attention, and isn't just being overhyped an excuse for pushing socialism. Seriously, this is one of the biggest reasons why no real action takes place, everyone wants to push their political worldview instead of solving a technological problem.

marssaxman 4y ago
The idea that it is just a technological problem is a political worldview.
superchroma 4y ago
It's not a technological problem for as long as it is cheaper to clear-cut rainforest, burn coal and emit toxic gasses than it is to organize a new type of power generation method, set it up for industrial scale, invest in technologies to make processes cleaner, etc. The entire problem is that it's easiest to be bad. It takes political effort to demonstrate that there is a global commons that is being spoiled through this behavior.
superchroma 4y ago
I'd like to also add, there is no feasible way everyone alive on Earth today may have a hot shower. It can't be done. This extends to other luxuries, too. This is, fundamentally, an unanswered political question. There is no amount of technology short of pure magic that can help here. At some point, humans have to decide what a future looks like for us and the planet. At the moment, we choose not to.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  Enough sunlight falls on the earth every 2 minutes to power humanity for a year. Your assertion has no merit. Even if you have to desal or atmospheric extract water and then heat it, there is plenty of clean energy potential available. https://www.ku.ac.ae/two-minutes-of-sun-enough-to-power-a-year-s-usage-of-humanity-gulf-news https://www.ku.ac.ae/two-minutes-of-sun-enough-to-power-a-ye... > “Every two minutes, the energy reaching the earth from the sun is equivalent to the whole annual energy use of humanity. All the energy … the cars, lighting, and air conditioning of the world … in one year is equivalent to two minutes of the sun,” said Dr Lamya N. Fawwaz, vice-president for Institutional Advancement and Public Affairs at Masdar Institute at the 22nd SolarPaces Conference. (There are 525,600 minutes in a year)
  - version_five 4y ago
    I don't know if I agree with the GP, but the existence of the energy is all but irrelevant. You almost might as well quote the amount of power the sun produces from fusion, the amount of wind, the amount of uranium, whatever. For everyone to have a hot shower, you need indoor plumbing, clean water, water heater, etc, all of which implies a standard of living which I think is the point. While there might be a weak rebuttal about outdoor showers, that would be "begging the question" - the point is that equality in standard of living is not possible (not agreeing or disagreeing, just pointing out that incident solar energy on the earth is irrelevant)
actually_a_dog 4y ago
Present your alternative, then.

marssaxman 4y ago

The idea that it is just a technological problem is a political worldview.

superchroma 4y ago

It's not a technological problem for as long as it is cheaper to clear-cut rainforest, burn coal and emit toxic gasses than it is to organize a new type of power generation method, set it up for industrial scale, invest in technologies to make processes cleaner, etc. The entire problem is that it's easiest to be bad. It takes political effort to demonstrate that there is a global commons that is being spoiled through this behavior.

superchroma 4y ago

I'd like to also add, there is no feasible way everyone alive on Earth today may have a hot shower. It can't be done. This extends to other luxuries, too. This is, fundamentally, an unanswered political question. There is no amount of technology short of pure magic that can help here. At some point, humans have to decide what a future looks like for us and the planet. At the moment, we choose not to.

toomuchtodo 4y ago
Enough sunlight falls on the earth every 2 minutes to power humanity for a year. Your assertion has no merit. Even if you have to desal or atmospheric extract water and then heat it, there is plenty of clean energy potential available. https://www.ku.ac.ae/two-minutes-of-sun-enough-to-power-a-year-s-usage-of-humanity-gulf-news https://www.ku.ac.ae/two-minutes-of-sun-enough-to-power-a-ye... > “Every two minutes, the energy reaching the earth from the sun is equivalent to the whole annual energy use of humanity. All the energy … the cars, lighting, and air conditioning of the world … in one year is equivalent to two minutes of the sun,” said Dr Lamya N. Fawwaz, vice-president for Institutional Advancement and Public Affairs at Masdar Institute at the 22nd SolarPaces Conference. (There are 525,600 minutes in a year)
- version_five 4y ago
  I don't know if I agree with the GP, but the existence of the energy is all but irrelevant. You almost might as well quote the amount of power the sun produces from fusion, the amount of wind, the amount of uranium, whatever. For everyone to have a hot shower, you need indoor plumbing, clean water, water heater, etc, all of which implies a standard of living which I think is the point. While there might be a weak rebuttal about outdoor showers, that would be "begging the question" - the point is that equality in standard of living is not possible (not agreeing or disagreeing, just pointing out that incident solar energy on the earth is irrelevant)

actually_a_dog 4y ago

Present your alternative, then.