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Please don’t click these links or share these videos. As a member of the film/animation industry, hearing about leaks like this absolutely hits me. Please think

Please don’t click these links or share these videos. As a member of the film/animation industry, hearing about leaks like this absolutely hits me. Please think of the hundreds of artists and programmers who have worked countless hours on this game. They are all heartbroken right now. We can all honor their hard work by not watching this leaked content. Wait til they finish.

yieldcrv 4y ago
what, can you elaborate more on why we should: 1) empathize 2) in that specific way this is a far cry from my initial thought of “don't tell me what to do” so I’m really curious if you can articulate in a way more of us can relate to
- colinthompson 4y ago
  First and foremost- this content was stolen. You haven’t paid for it. If you saw a stolen car left on the side of the road, would to take it for a joyride? Secondly, do you think watching these these videos is making anyone at rockstar fired up? Do you think they like this? I believe that almost all of them are deeply saddened by this. Should we celebrate and respect people’s work by making them feel awful? Lastly I’m not telling anyone what to do. I’m just merely pointing out that this content is not soul-less. It’s built on the backs of people who did not willingly share this material. I think it’s awesome if people are curious, but I think to is incredible disrespectful to execute that curiosity by forcefully stealing something.
  - yieldcrv 4y ago
    The semantics are more important to me, and it affects my thoughts on your analogies too. Stealing requires moving something from its original place, like the car. This was copied. It is copyright infringement, at best, and an issue for the person copying for others consumption, not the consumer. Its not the consumers responsibility to know who has a license to avoid infringing a copyright, and it isn't their liability to view. Elaborate marketing stunt or actual leak? Not my responsibility to care. But let me know if you come up with a more applicable analogy, I’m fine with analogies comparing dissimilar things that share something in common, I think this one dilutes your point here and fails at providing any introspective possibility. I can relate to the idea that someone wanted a grand reveal, I don't have the same feelings as you about them being deprived of that goal. I think there would be plenty of artists in the organization that are annoyed at the direction of the development choices and are elated that the public can criticize it now.
  - exodust 4y ago
    > If you saw a stolen car left on the side of the road Relax, it's just a few videos. Not the actual game. It's publicity and won't hurt sales. May even help pre-order sales. The irony of your analogy is that stealing cars and crime in general is encouraged and celebrated in the game. Watching a few leaked videos of that action is not a moral dilemma.
throwaway102233 4y ago
no and no. I'm getting mighty sick of this attitude 'pls respect artists! they are all crying right now'. how come game devs / artists are the only ones that should never have their work seen before they deem it to be 'ready', how many devs in other industries have had to push work to the public before they deem it 'ready'. I personally like having the 'curtain pulled back' so to speak, it's interesting to see the amount of work that goes into making a game / movie / whatever.
- colinthompson 4y ago
  I’d say this is less “pulling back the curtain” and more brazen theft. But go off.
  - throwaway102233 4y ago
    If rumors are correct, the leaker has the source code also, but hasn't chosen to release that. I'm pretty sure that releasing the source code would be seen as more of a dick move than just showing a video of some dev tools. I'm pretty sure we've all `stolen` software at some stage in our lives (looking at you Adobe), are we meant to be pearl-clutching over that also?
ok_dad 4y ago
Why would they be heartbroken? They’ll still get to finish the game. Millions of people will still enjoy it like they did RDR2, GTAV, etc. Personally, I disagree with hacking of this nature, but these days people want to get a sneak preview, so I’m really not sure why the developers would see this as anything other than good, or why they wouldn’t just release previews occasionally so people can see what’s to come. None of this stuff is cutting edge or some sort of industry secret or whatever. I, personally, am more excited for GTAVI than I ever have been now that I’ve seen the amount of depth they seem to be adding to the previous iteration!
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phreeker 4y ago
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yieldcrv 4y ago

what, can you elaborate more on why we should: 1) empathize 2) in that specific way this is a far cry from my initial thought of “don't tell me what to do” so I’m really curious if you can articulate in a way more of us can relate to

colinthompson 4y ago
First and foremost- this content was stolen. You haven’t paid for it. If you saw a stolen car left on the side of the road, would to take it for a joyride? Secondly, do you think watching these these videos is making anyone at rockstar fired up? Do you think they like this? I believe that almost all of them are deeply saddened by this. Should we celebrate and respect people’s work by making them feel awful? Lastly I’m not telling anyone what to do. I’m just merely pointing out that this content is not soul-less. It’s built on the backs of people who did not willingly share this material. I think it’s awesome if people are curious, but I think to is incredible disrespectful to execute that curiosity by forcefully stealing something.
- yieldcrv 4y ago
  The semantics are more important to me, and it affects my thoughts on your analogies too. Stealing requires moving something from its original place, like the car. This was copied. It is copyright infringement, at best, and an issue for the person copying for others consumption, not the consumer. Its not the consumers responsibility to know who has a license to avoid infringing a copyright, and it isn't their liability to view. Elaborate marketing stunt or actual leak? Not my responsibility to care. But let me know if you come up with a more applicable analogy, I’m fine with analogies comparing dissimilar things that share something in common, I think this one dilutes your point here and fails at providing any introspective possibility. I can relate to the idea that someone wanted a grand reveal, I don't have the same feelings as you about them being deprived of that goal. I think there would be plenty of artists in the organization that are annoyed at the direction of the development choices and are elated that the public can criticize it now.
- exodust 4y ago
  > If you saw a stolen car left on the side of the road Relax, it's just a few videos. Not the actual game. It's publicity and won't hurt sales. May even help pre-order sales. The irony of your analogy is that stealing cars and crime in general is encouraged and celebrated in the game. Watching a few leaked videos of that action is not a moral dilemma.

throwaway102233 4y ago

no and no. I'm getting mighty sick of this attitude 'pls respect artists! they are all crying right now'. how come game devs / artists are the only ones that should never have their work seen before they deem it to be 'ready', how many devs in other industries have had to push work to the public before they deem it 'ready'. I personally like having the 'curtain pulled back' so to speak, it's interesting to see the amount of work that goes into making a game / movie / whatever.

colinthompson 4y ago
I’d say this is less “pulling back the curtain” and more brazen theft. But go off.
- throwaway102233 4y ago
  If rumors are correct, the leaker has the source code also, but hasn't chosen to release that. I'm pretty sure that releasing the source code would be seen as more of a dick move than just showing a video of some dev tools. I'm pretty sure we've all `stolen` software at some stage in our lives (looking at you Adobe), are we meant to be pearl-clutching over that also?

ok_dad 4y ago

Why would they be heartbroken? They’ll still get to finish the game. Millions of people will still enjoy it like they did RDR2, GTAV, etc. Personally, I disagree with hacking of this nature, but these days people want to get a sneak preview, so I’m really not sure why the developers would see this as anything other than good, or why they wouldn’t just release previews occasionally so people can see what’s to come. None of this stuff is cutting edge or some sort of industry secret or whatever. I, personally, am more excited for GTAVI than I ever have been now that I’ve seen the amount of depth they seem to be adding to the previous iteration!

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phreeker 4y ago