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I don't see the problem. Manufacturers have been selling "options packages" for decades. You can either buy the base bike for $15,000, or one with "premium pac

by avalys 4y ago

I don't see the problem. Manufacturers have been selling "options packages" for decades. You can either buy the base bike for $15,000, or one with "premium package" for $18,000. It's obvious to everyone that the extra doodads you're buying don't actually cost them $3,000 more. It's just a way for them to segment the market and charge more for those who are willing to pay. The alternative is, they sell a single configuration for $17,000. Now they're just saying, hey, most of this functionality is in software anyway. Rather than pretend that the $10 sensor needed to enable the quick shifter costs $3,000, they're going to put the $10 sensor in all the bikes and charge you for the software required to use it. And like most software, you can get a free trial before you need to decide if you want it. So what? It's also quite possible that these extra features actually don't require any additional hardware at all. The bike already has wheel speed sensors, accelerometers, etc. for the "base" ABS functionality and the advanced stuff you're paying for might be entirely in software.

dm319 4y ago
The bike comes with the hardware required to allow this functionality (a quick shifter needs the physical ability to reduce the torque to the gearbox to work), what a waste of the world's resources to kit out these machines with these electronics and technology, and then not allow people who have physically bought the device to make use of it.
- avalys 4y ago
  We're talking about a $15,000 off-road premium European motorcycle that burns gasoline for rich young guys to have fun tearing through the wilderness. That's a "waste of the world's resources". The $10 sensor on the shift lever that you're complaining about is inconsequential.
  - 10u152 4y ago
    Big adv bikes are generally for older gents. Young guys are on 250s and 400s and 500s
- ce4 4y ago
  The quickshifter purely makes use of existing hardware except for the shift-sensor which is a small piezo-sensor-insert in the shift lever. The existing hardware being: - ride-by-wire: ability to open/close the throttle electronically - electronic injection control: ability to decrease/increase fuel injection What the quickshifter feature does: a) shift-up was done by decreasing / stopping fuel injection or stopping ignition: torque decreases and for a split second there's no/little torque between gears and the next gear can be shifted effortlessly b) shift down needs increasing torque (usually due to deceleration torque of the engine when the throttle is closed), so this artificially opens the throttle to reverse this effect and allow shifting The magic is all in the software, and there's big differences in the smoothness between manufactures, and also between model years. This is a pure comfort/performance feature, a quickshifter is not needed at all and you still need the clutch to get going. Edit: very old vehicles need a so called double-clutch / german "Zwischengas" to make up for the missing synchronisation / synchromesh gears. That's what's done in software here.

by avalys 4y ago

dm319 4y ago

The bike comes with the hardware required to allow this functionality (a quick shifter needs the physical ability to reduce the torque to the gearbox to work), what a waste of the world's resources to kit out these machines with these electronics and technology, and then not allow people who have physically bought the device to make use of it.

avalys 4y ago
We're talking about a $15,000 off-road premium European motorcycle that burns gasoline for rich young guys to have fun tearing through the wilderness. That's a "waste of the world's resources". The $10 sensor on the shift lever that you're complaining about is inconsequential.
- 10u152 4y ago
  Big adv bikes are generally for older gents. Young guys are on 250s and 400s and 500s
ce4 4y ago
The quickshifter purely makes use of existing hardware except for the shift-sensor which is a small piezo-sensor-insert in the shift lever. The existing hardware being: - ride-by-wire: ability to open/close the throttle electronically - electronic injection control: ability to decrease/increase fuel injection What the quickshifter feature does: a) shift-up was done by decreasing / stopping fuel injection or stopping ignition: torque decreases and for a split second there's no/little torque between gears and the next gear can be shifted effortlessly b) shift down needs increasing torque (usually due to deceleration torque of the engine when the throttle is closed), so this artificially opens the throttle to reverse this effect and allow shifting The magic is all in the software, and there's big differences in the smoothness between manufactures, and also between model years. This is a pure comfort/performance feature, a quickshifter is not needed at all and you still need the clutch to get going. Edit: very old vehicles need a so called double-clutch / german "Zwischengas" to make up for the missing synchronisation / synchromesh gears. That's what's done in software here.