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In a private chat with a private group on a private server would you still not have that expectation? The change Microsoft made to Minecraft applies globally a

In a private chat with a private group on a private server would you still not have that expectation? The change Microsoft made to Minecraft applies globally and once you are banned you are banned everywhere including all private servers.

paulcole 4y ago
Yes, that’s still what I believe.
- tastyfreeze 4y ago
  Do you not believe in your right to privacy? Or put another way, do you believe the government should know all your private conversations?
  - paulcole 4y ago
    I don’t believe the government should know all my private conversations without due process. But I also don’t believe my in-game chat is a private conversation.
    - tastyfreeze 4y ago
      A communication service provided by a company is no different than a room in a physical building. The government cannot "bug" a privately owned room without a warrant. Tech companies have granted the government freedom to "bug" all of their digital rooms. I long ago gave up on the idea that online communication is ever private. The FBI started recording all internet traffic in 1997 with Carnivore after all. But I do believe it should be private and require a warrant for the government to see. There are just too many bad things that can come from government monitoring all communications. The government shouldn't get a pass just because we haven't quite figured out how our rights apply in a digital space.
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- manuelmoreale 4y ago
  If it’s a private instance of a server, run by you where the only people on it are you and your friends, shouldn’t be up to you and the other people to figure out what is and what isn’t appropriate to say? Why should you care about what the company who made the game have to say?
  - paulcole 4y ago
    > Why should you care about what the company who made the game have to say? Because it’s their game and I want to play it.
    - manuelmoreale 4y ago
      Yes but a chat content between you and your friend is no longer part of their game.
      - paulcole 4y ago
        My original comment was specifically about in-game chat which is most definitely still part of their game.
        manuelmoreale 4y ago
        Yes but "in game" on a private server run by you means a chat between you and your friends. That's why I find it puzzling that you'd think that a company has the right to police that kind of content. When it's public and you're interacting with strangers makes total sense but on private servers?
        paulcole 4y ago
        But regardless of public/private, it’s still in their game right? They’re not banning me for the text messages I send or what I say in a Slack channel right? It’s their game, their chat system, and their decision.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  And perhaps the company that build your house or apartment building should install microphones in the walls, with a term in the dense sales contract / TOS that forbids modification of course. After all, you could be muttering hate speech in your living room, ahem, I mean their living room. They built it after all, so clearly it's rightfully theirs even if its ostensibly your property...
  - KennyBlanken 4y ago
    Minecraft having a message reporting system in a publicly playable game run by a game studio, and a team of people who decide what to do with those reports, has nothing to do with "microphones installed in the walls of people's homes." You've gone from misreprsenting things to suit your worldview (like you did in your initial message claiming "snitchware." Nothing in minecraft's moderation system is automatic - content must be flagged, first, by another user) to wildly unhinged "analogies."
    - bendbro 4y ago
      Company A builds Apartment Building. Company B builds game server software. Company A sells Apartment Building to Landlord. Company B sells software to Server Admin. Landlord leases Apartment to Leaser. Server Admin allows Gamer to connect to Server Software. Microphones installed by Company A in Apartment's walls catch Leaser saying Bad Word. Chat spy installed by Company B in Server Software catches Gamer saying Bad Word. Company A bans Leaser from all Apartment Buildings they constructed. Company B bans Gamer from all Server Software they leased out. Point to where this analogy is weak.
      - jjj123 4y ago
        Housing is a human need, gaming is not. That’s why there are tons of regulations around housing that don’t apply to other industries. Not saying I disagree with your overall point, but the analogy is weak.
        4y ago
KennyBlanken 4y ago
From the FAQ: https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/moderating-minecraft https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/moderating-minecraft > So, what’s new? Minecraft moderators may ban players who do not follow our Community Guidelines when sending online messages using our services (Realms) or Featured Servers, and communicating online through signposts and books. If you conduct yourself such that you manage to get banned from hosted / promoted servers, I have no problem with you being unable to participate in privately run servers. Nobody wants to be around people who act like that. Furthermore, action only comes about from player reports - contrary to the grandparent comment's misrepresentations about "snitchware" and so on, Minecraft moderator action can only come about from player reports - and only in certain specific, defined categories. There is no "right" to free speech in a private game. There is no "right" to play a private game.

paulcole 4y ago

Yes, that’s still what I believe.

tastyfreeze 4y ago
Do you not believe in your right to privacy? Or put another way, do you believe the government should know all your private conversations?
- paulcole 4y ago
  I don’t believe the government should know all my private conversations without due process. But I also don’t believe my in-game chat is a private conversation.
  - tastyfreeze 4y ago
    A communication service provided by a company is no different than a room in a physical building. The government cannot "bug" a privately owned room without a warrant. Tech companies have granted the government freedom to "bug" all of their digital rooms. I long ago gave up on the idea that online communication is ever private. The FBI started recording all internet traffic in 1997 with Carnivore after all. But I do believe it should be private and require a warrant for the government to see. There are just too many bad things that can come from government monitoring all communications. The government shouldn't get a pass just because we haven't quite figured out how our rights apply in a digital space.
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manuelmoreale 4y ago
If it’s a private instance of a server, run by you where the only people on it are you and your friends, shouldn’t be up to you and the other people to figure out what is and what isn’t appropriate to say? Why should you care about what the company who made the game have to say?
- paulcole 4y ago
  > Why should you care about what the company who made the game have to say? Because it’s their game and I want to play it.
  - manuelmoreale 4y ago
    Yes but a chat content between you and your friend is no longer part of their game.
    - paulcole 4y ago
      My original comment was specifically about in-game chat which is most definitely still part of their game.
      - manuelmoreale 4y ago
        Yes but "in game" on a private server run by you means a chat between you and your friends. That's why I find it puzzling that you'd think that a company has the right to police that kind of content. When it's public and you're interacting with strangers makes total sense but on private servers?
        paulcole 4y ago
        But regardless of public/private, it’s still in their game right? They’re not banning me for the text messages I send or what I say in a Slack channel right? It’s their game, their chat system, and their decision.
MichaelCollins 4y ago
And perhaps the company that build your house or apartment building should install microphones in the walls, with a term in the dense sales contract / TOS that forbids modification of course. After all, you could be muttering hate speech in your living room, ahem, I mean their living room. They built it after all, so clearly it's rightfully theirs even if its ostensibly your property...
- KennyBlanken 4y ago
  Minecraft having a message reporting system in a publicly playable game run by a game studio, and a team of people who decide what to do with those reports, has nothing to do with "microphones installed in the walls of people's homes." You've gone from misreprsenting things to suit your worldview (like you did in your initial message claiming "snitchware." Nothing in minecraft's moderation system is automatic - content must be flagged, first, by another user) to wildly unhinged "analogies."
  - bendbro 4y ago
    Company A builds Apartment Building. Company B builds game server software. Company A sells Apartment Building to Landlord. Company B sells software to Server Admin. Landlord leases Apartment to Leaser. Server Admin allows Gamer to connect to Server Software. Microphones installed by Company A in Apartment's walls catch Leaser saying Bad Word. Chat spy installed by Company B in Server Software catches Gamer saying Bad Word. Company A bans Leaser from all Apartment Buildings they constructed. Company B bans Gamer from all Server Software they leased out. Point to where this analogy is weak.
    - jjj123 4y ago
      Housing is a human need, gaming is not. That’s why there are tons of regulations around housing that don’t apply to other industries. Not saying I disagree with your overall point, but the analogy is weak.
      - 4y ago

KennyBlanken 4y ago

From the FAQ: https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/moderating-minecraft https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/moderating-minecraft > So, what’s new? Minecraft moderators may ban players who do not follow our Community Guidelines when sending online messages using our services (Realms) or Featured Servers, and communicating online through signposts and books. If you conduct yourself such that you manage to get banned from hosted / promoted servers, I have no problem with you being unable to participate in privately run servers. Nobody wants to be around people who act like that. Furthermore, action only comes about from player reports - contrary to the grandparent comment's misrepresentations about "snitchware" and so on, Minecraft moderator action can only come about from player reports - and only in certain specific, defined categories. There is no "right" to free speech in a private game. There is no "right" to play a private game.