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Yeah, that's not a surprise. I see a lot of goyper shit in online games. People logging on with names like ANNE FRANK with a badly veiled nazi profile pic going

Yeah, that's not a surprise. I see a lot of goyper shit in online games. People logging on with names like ANNE FRANK with a badly veiled nazi profile pic going on who say racist shit at the end of every game so they don't get kicked and then they have like a bunch of impressionable kids who think hitler is funny in their nasty horrible racist groomer tow on discord. I'm not surprised this is getting investigated, those guys are the worst creeps, especially how they get kids involved.

Test0129 4y ago
There are mean people everywhere, especially when they can be anonymous. I've been on the internet long enough to remember when corporations weren't the arbiters of what can and can't be said in games. Back when servers were owned by players. The DHS has no responsibility to investigate what is most likely an edgy 14 year old saying edgy things in a game. The only thing that will come from this is, indeed people say mean things on the internet, therefore total censorship is the only answer. They will find a few real cases. Things like you pointed out. These will be use for a typical on-brand message about how widespread the phenomenon is. No one wants extremists in their country and all they will have to say is something like "first person shooters are a hot bed for white nationalists" and suddenly we are back to 1991 when we thought that first person shooters caused people to become violent killers. History repeating itself. This is basically a solution looking for a problem. The particular flavor of radicalization "white nationalism" or whatever is being spammed in the media ahead of an election because it's the current party's boogeyman. It's scary, it sells ad space, and it drives campaign speeches. I'm inclined to believe that the population of these alleged "white nationalists" is a lot smaller. At least until they arbitrarily extend the definition. I suspect the actual problem is rising inflation, lack of housing, lack of income to afford anything, and the 1000 mile wide chasm between the incomes of congress and the average citizen that are leading to the majority of radicalization. However, this will never be discussed because it implies the government is the problem. When the investigators investigate themselves they always find nothing wrong.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  > I'm inclined to believe that the population of these alleged "white nationalists" is a lot smaller. At least until they arbitrarily extend the definition. Arbitrary extension of definitions is a big part of it. For instance the way the definition of violence has been extended to include silence. This is particularly chilling since "silence is violence" is a flagrant reformulation of "If you're not with us, you're against us." They also like to talk about hateful statements of opinion being violence too, under theory that hateful remarks cause stochastic terrorism. But by the same standard, "silence is violence" is a call to arms against people who are simply trying to live their lives peacefully and not get swept up in a political movement. If being silent is a form of violence, that suggests a justification of violent "self defense" against those who are merely keeping to themselves. Redefining violence is an implicit modification to the rules of engagement.
  - jamal-kumar 4y ago
    I just want people to have the ability to play video games once in a while without hearing some idiot autistically screeching the n word. It's a simple call to civility. Is that so hard to answer?
- jamal-kumar 4y ago
  I'm specifically referring to the phenomenon of grown ass adults grooming impressionable kids into acting like this. It's a real problem and I'm not surprised it's being looked into, these guys need chris hansen showing up in their kitchen level.
  - Test0129 4y ago
    You imply they are allegedly grooming these kids to be white nationalists on discord. Discord is a monitored platform. Do you have any evidence of the FBI cracking down on these discords? Actual terrorism falls into the purview of the FBI and given the current administration you'd think they'd be all over using that honeypot as a way to find them. I have yet to see any evidence that the FBI has stopped a discord turning kids into white nationalists so I suspect the problem is not actually the problem you suppose it is, or you and I have very different definitions of what grooming means.
scotty79 4y ago
I thought hitler was funny when I was 12. Too bad some people stay mentally this age for most of their lives.
fibonacc 4y ago
Seems especially rampant on FPS games. Often I see swastikas in custom banners in games like Battlefield. Reporting results in no change. Many women for instance I know pretend to be men in these online games. Often the only people screaming and utilizing voice online seem to be of a specific demographic. You can go after the bad apples and hope things will change but racism and all sorts of hate based ideologies are constantly touted by what I presume individuals with a lot of idle time. I also see lots of talks of depression and mental health issues in the chats. I rather that they just remove the online chat feature and custom banners. Remove voice chat especially. Really miss the days before voice chat because now its the equivalent of giving a village idiot a megaphone.
- Test0129 4y ago
  Is it really so much to ask for a player who doesn't want to listen to voice chat to click through a menu to turn off voice chat? Or click one or two buttons to mute a player in chat/voice? Do we really need a heavy handed approach like "remove online chat features and custom banners"? If the company provides no method to turn off chat/block/mute/etc then that's one thing. Ask for that. But I've yet to play a game where you can't do this.
  - notch656a 4y ago
    Best I can do is a vast government surveillance apparatus for identifying and targeting individuals and then tossing them in jail on questionable charges until they spend $20,000+ on a lawyer. Hard for them to make that hitler talk while in jail, check-mate. Since DHS is known to be the most honest and highest caliber agency of the US, we know this power will be used fully constitutionally, ethically, and impartially.
  - alphabettsy 4y ago
    Is it too much to ask to be able to use the game with voice chat and just been the people who are abusive? DHS doesn’t need to be involved but the answer shouldn’t be people who don’t want to be abused are the ones who have limits on what features they can use.
  - 4y ago
jimbob45 4y ago
There are documented cases of minors being offered DIY hormones by adults (thanks, KiwiFarms!) via Discord and online games. This seems more like Democrats are trying to equate silly screen names to the grooming and pedophilia taking place within their own transgender movement.
- syeare 4y ago
  Between young impressionable children and vulnerable teenagers being groomed into mutilating their bodies or being "groomed" into a le funny epic hitler meme phase (which they soon grow out of in a few years), it should be quite obvious what the lesser evil is
Trifectaffe6 4y ago
xboxnolifes 4y ago
A lot of those people with nasty names/pfps are the 12 year olds. I remember being that age in the gaming (and internet) communities. and all's sorts of rage bait go. There is even a well known word for this act: trolling. Let's not pretend it's all a bunch of 30 y/o racist groomers. The real issue is that these 12 year olds hold this mentality into their entire adult life.
- jamal-kumar 4y ago
  Let's not pretend that the real issue isn't that these 12 year olds hold this mentality into their entire adult life, xboxnolifes.

Test0129 4y ago

There are mean people everywhere, especially when they can be anonymous. I've been on the internet long enough to remember when corporations weren't the arbiters of what can and can't be said in games. Back when servers were owned by players. The DHS has no responsibility to investigate what is most likely an edgy 14 year old saying edgy things in a game. The only thing that will come from this is, indeed people say mean things on the internet, therefore total censorship is the only answer. They will find a few real cases. Things like you pointed out. These will be use for a typical on-brand message about how widespread the phenomenon is. No one wants extremists in their country and all they will have to say is something like "first person shooters are a hot bed for white nationalists" and suddenly we are back to 1991 when we thought that first person shooters caused people to become violent killers. History repeating itself. This is basically a solution looking for a problem. The particular flavor of radicalization "white nationalism" or whatever is being spammed in the media ahead of an election because it's the current party's boogeyman. It's scary, it sells ad space, and it drives campaign speeches. I'm inclined to believe that the population of these alleged "white nationalists" is a lot smaller. At least until they arbitrarily extend the definition. I suspect the actual problem is rising inflation, lack of housing, lack of income to afford anything, and the 1000 mile wide chasm between the incomes of congress and the average citizen that are leading to the majority of radicalization. However, this will never be discussed because it implies the government is the problem. When the investigators investigate themselves they always find nothing wrong.

MichaelCollins 4y ago
> I'm inclined to believe that the population of these alleged "white nationalists" is a lot smaller. At least until they arbitrarily extend the definition. Arbitrary extension of definitions is a big part of it. For instance the way the definition of violence has been extended to include silence. This is particularly chilling since "silence is violence" is a flagrant reformulation of "If you're not with us, you're against us." They also like to talk about hateful statements of opinion being violence too, under theory that hateful remarks cause stochastic terrorism. But by the same standard, "silence is violence" is a call to arms against people who are simply trying to live their lives peacefully and not get swept up in a political movement. If being silent is a form of violence, that suggests a justification of violent "self defense" against those who are merely keeping to themselves. Redefining violence is an implicit modification to the rules of engagement.
- jamal-kumar 4y ago
  I just want people to have the ability to play video games once in a while without hearing some idiot autistically screeching the n word. It's a simple call to civility. Is that so hard to answer?
jamal-kumar 4y ago
I'm specifically referring to the phenomenon of grown ass adults grooming impressionable kids into acting like this. It's a real problem and I'm not surprised it's being looked into, these guys need chris hansen showing up in their kitchen level.
- Test0129 4y ago
  You imply they are allegedly grooming these kids to be white nationalists on discord. Discord is a monitored platform. Do you have any evidence of the FBI cracking down on these discords? Actual terrorism falls into the purview of the FBI and given the current administration you'd think they'd be all over using that honeypot as a way to find them. I have yet to see any evidence that the FBI has stopped a discord turning kids into white nationalists so I suspect the problem is not actually the problem you suppose it is, or you and I have very different definitions of what grooming means.

scotty79 4y ago

I thought hitler was funny when I was 12. Too bad some people stay mentally this age for most of their lives.

fibonacc 4y ago

Seems especially rampant on FPS games. Often I see swastikas in custom banners in games like Battlefield. Reporting results in no change. Many women for instance I know pretend to be men in these online games. Often the only people screaming and utilizing voice online seem to be of a specific demographic. You can go after the bad apples and hope things will change but racism and all sorts of hate based ideologies are constantly touted by what I presume individuals with a lot of idle time. I also see lots of talks of depression and mental health issues in the chats. I rather that they just remove the online chat feature and custom banners. Remove voice chat especially. Really miss the days before voice chat because now its the equivalent of giving a village idiot a megaphone.

Test0129 4y ago
Is it really so much to ask for a player who doesn't want to listen to voice chat to click through a menu to turn off voice chat? Or click one or two buttons to mute a player in chat/voice? Do we really need a heavy handed approach like "remove online chat features and custom banners"? If the company provides no method to turn off chat/block/mute/etc then that's one thing. Ask for that. But I've yet to play a game where you can't do this.
- notch656a 4y ago
  Best I can do is a vast government surveillance apparatus for identifying and targeting individuals and then tossing them in jail on questionable charges until they spend $20,000+ on a lawyer. Hard for them to make that hitler talk while in jail, check-mate. Since DHS is known to be the most honest and highest caliber agency of the US, we know this power will be used fully constitutionally, ethically, and impartially.
- alphabettsy 4y ago
  Is it too much to ask to be able to use the game with voice chat and just been the people who are abusive? DHS doesn’t need to be involved but the answer shouldn’t be people who don’t want to be abused are the ones who have limits on what features they can use.
- 4y ago

jimbob45 4y ago

There are documented cases of minors being offered DIY hormones by adults (thanks, KiwiFarms!) via Discord and online games. This seems more like Democrats are trying to equate silly screen names to the grooming and pedophilia taking place within their own transgender movement.

syeare 4y ago
Between young impressionable children and vulnerable teenagers being groomed into mutilating their bodies or being "groomed" into a le funny epic hitler meme phase (which they soon grow out of in a few years), it should be quite obvious what the lesser evil is

Trifectaffe6 4y ago

xboxnolifes 4y ago

A lot of those people with nasty names/pfps are the 12 year olds. I remember being that age in the gaming (and internet) communities. and all's sorts of rage bait go. There is even a well known word for this act: trolling. Let's not pretend it's all a bunch of 30 y/o racist groomers. The real issue is that these 12 year olds hold this mentality into their entire adult life.

jamal-kumar 4y ago
Let's not pretend that the real issue isn't that these 12 year olds hold this mentality into their entire adult life, xboxnolifes.