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CBDC may feel the same to the end user. But it is fundamentally different in terms of what it represents. The possibility of a surveillance police state shoul

by starkd 4y ago

CBDC may feel the same to the end user. But it is fundamentally different in terms of what it represents. The possibility of a surveillance police state should scare anyone with a brain.

asdfk-12 4y ago
Accounting for economic units is evident as far back as the Akkadian empire 5,000 years ago. Double-entry bookkeeping, central banking, ACH, SWIFT, etc. are iterations on a theme. CBDCs represent an incremental shift away from batch processing toward real-time messaging. The current paradigm of universally KYC'd accounts, easily surveilled ACH, and a government-run interbank FedWire service already offer complete transparency to law enforcement and the treasury department.
- starkd 4y ago
  True to some extent. But digital money brings it to a whole new level. Now they can shut down accounts. CBDC will allow a finer-grained control of all transactions. The ability to monitor every transaction you make.
  - jqpabc123 4y ago
    Now they can shut down accounts. You think your bank can't shut down your account now? The ability to monitor every transaction you make. You think your bank and CC company can't do this now? The only way to avoid being "monitored" is to use cash. And a CBDC won't change this.
jqpabc123 4y ago
But it is fundamentally different in terms of what it represents. It is fundamentally no different than what already exists --- just faster, more capable, more convenient and less costly.
- Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
  If that was really the case why don't say JPMorgan and Wells Fargo enter in a partnership to provide such service? If it's really cheaper, faster more convenient then they'd be enthusiastic about doing it because it would look good for their bottom line. Money at the end of the day represents trust. If the Fed is the most trustworthy entity then JPM and Wells Fargo are at #2 and #3. Nobody would care if the #2 and #3 institution exchange money between each other instantaneously and 24/7/365 but only settle their accounts at the Fed weekly or bi-weekly. This thing for everybody to have an account with the Fed in the form of tokens (digital dollars and digital euros) is something really strange and that nobody has asked for. It is the project of some beurocrat which has seen a topic of interest among the population (crypto) and wants to look good to his superior or wants to claim that "I was at the helm of the team which developed the Digital Dollar".
  - jqpabc123 4y ago
    If that was really the case why don't say JPMorgan and Wells Fargo enter in a partnership to provide such service? Some banks do this --- but the utility is severely limited unless all banks and the Federal Reserve do this --- and at low cost. Enter CBDC. This thing for everybody to have an account with the Fed in the form of tokens (digital dollars and digital euros) is something really strange and that nobody has asked for. This thing for everybody to have an account with the Fed --- is not what is being proposed. Your bank account will stay right where it is now --- just with new features and capabilities. No banks will be killed in the production of a CBDC. If it were otherwise, rest assured you would have heard about it from your bank by now.

by starkd 4y ago

CBDC may feel the same to the end user. But it is fundamentally different in terms of what it represents. The possibility of a surveillance police state should scare anyone with a brain.

asdfk-12 4y ago

Accounting for economic units is evident as far back as the Akkadian empire 5,000 years ago. Double-entry bookkeeping, central banking, ACH, SWIFT, etc. are iterations on a theme. CBDCs represent an incremental shift away from batch processing toward real-time messaging. The current paradigm of universally KYC'd accounts, easily surveilled ACH, and a government-run interbank FedWire service already offer complete transparency to law enforcement and the treasury department.

starkd 4y ago
True to some extent. But digital money brings it to a whole new level. Now they can shut down accounts. CBDC will allow a finer-grained control of all transactions. The ability to monitor every transaction you make.
- jqpabc123 4y ago
  Now they can shut down accounts. You think your bank can't shut down your account now? The ability to monitor every transaction you make. You think your bank and CC company can't do this now? The only way to avoid being "monitored" is to use cash. And a CBDC won't change this.

jqpabc123 4y ago

But it is fundamentally different in terms of what it represents. It is fundamentally no different than what already exists --- just faster, more capable, more convenient and less costly.

Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
If that was really the case why don't say JPMorgan and Wells Fargo enter in a partnership to provide such service? If it's really cheaper, faster more convenient then they'd be enthusiastic about doing it because it would look good for their bottom line. Money at the end of the day represents trust. If the Fed is the most trustworthy entity then JPM and Wells Fargo are at #2 and #3. Nobody would care if the #2 and #3 institution exchange money between each other instantaneously and 24/7/365 but only settle their accounts at the Fed weekly or bi-weekly. This thing for everybody to have an account with the Fed in the form of tokens (digital dollars and digital euros) is something really strange and that nobody has asked for. It is the project of some beurocrat which has seen a topic of interest among the population (crypto) and wants to look good to his superior or wants to claim that "I was at the helm of the team which developed the Digital Dollar".
- jqpabc123 4y ago
  If that was really the case why don't say JPMorgan and Wells Fargo enter in a partnership to provide such service? Some banks do this --- but the utility is severely limited unless all banks and the Federal Reserve do this --- and at low cost. Enter CBDC. This thing for everybody to have an account with the Fed in the form of tokens (digital dollars and digital euros) is something really strange and that nobody has asked for. This thing for everybody to have an account with the Fed --- is not what is being proposed. Your bank account will stay right where it is now --- just with new features and capabilities. No banks will be killed in the production of a CBDC. If it were otherwise, rest assured you would have heard about it from your bank by now.