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In my opinion OP should seriously consider this advice. I really mean nothing patronizing here, but I suspect OP does not have the corporate experience to hand

In my opinion OP should seriously consider this advice. I really mean nothing patronizing here, but I suspect OP does not have the corporate experience to handle this situation. This is a corporate equivalent of a double-black diamond downhill route. OP was hired by people who have little understanding of tech and already came in with guns blazing. I might almost wonder if OP's a sacrificial lamb. But, the tech advice of not doing a rewrite, making tests, soothing any hurt feelings, creating local instances will help. Make the everyday coding experiences of the tech team nicer. Source control, local instances, and unit/integration/E2E tests are a gimme. The old rule of thumb applies: pick only 2 of speed, cost or quality. You cannot have 3.

unity1001 4y ago
> OP does not have the corporate experience to handle this situation Even before that, s/he doesn't even seem to understand any measure of business. $20m/year with 3 people is BIG. Any disturbance to whatever makes that happen will hurt the business greatly. When a full rewrite shakes the boat and causes a few millions of revenue loss or the loss of potential market share or opportunities, they will rightly fire him. Best route would be to improve things without hurting anything. It doesn't matter things are 'properly done'. It matters whether the organization survives and prospers. What's 'proper' is redefined every 3-5 years, most of the time without objective basis anyway. So no need to hurt the business to force the current software paradigm.
- mgkimsal 4y ago
  Is the entirety of the whole company just 3 people? It doesn't sound like it. That 3 person team is just 'tech' it seems - there may be 5-10 managers/sales/support/etc people. And... $20m is revenue, not profit. If the cost of their sales is, say, $15m... and there's 15 people working at the company, that's quite healthy, but it's not some money-printing goldmine at this stage.
  - unity1001 4y ago
    > Is the entirety of the whole company just 3 people? From what is told in the summary, it seems like the software stack and these 3 people constitute the core of the business that is going on. The business may be something totally different. But it seems to be running on that software. > And... $20m is revenue Even if they have lower margins than what you yourself imagined, $20 m revenue/year is still a gigantic amount. You can improve upon whetever margin or inefficiency in the process and increase the net profit - optimize vendors, costs, sales pipeline. The difficulty in modern Internet business is getting to some place at which you can command $20 m revenue from any market. Finding the customers and the users. Not the margins.
    - sofrimiento 4y ago
      I’ve worked at a $100 million revenue online company that didn’t make any profit. OP says money is tight after covid, so seems like it the business is connected to a (physical) market that was affected by the pandemic. He says there is an extensive roadmap by a management team that are not familiar with the technical details, so it seems like the technology is not the core business. It’s not difficult getting to a high revenue fueled by aggressive and expensive acquisition using money from investors who gets dazzled by growth numbers, but if your customer lifetime value is low and you’re not a pure SAAS business which means margins won’t automatically improve with scale, turning that company profitable can prove very difficult.
snapetom 4y ago
> I suspect OP does not have the corporate experience to handle this situation. I agree with this. OP doesn't say, but reading between the lines, corporate at best doesn't understand the ramifications, but corporate doesn't care about the ramifications. They're getting 20 million in revenue from 3 cheap devs. Things are going great, according to corporate. They're not going to learn, and OP is going to get blamed when things can't get done. I just quit because I was placed in a similar situation. The CEO, who does have a CS background albeit ancient, insisted there was nothing wrong with the tech stack that couldn't be solved by vertically scaling and then horizontally scaling. We were at the limits of the former and the architecture made many important parts impossible for the later, but that's another discussion. The problem wasn't tech scaling, it was process scaling. We really couldn't divide work easily because there were often conflicts. People would join, see the horrible code, then leave. We specifically had to hire off-shore junior devs who didn't know any better and snowball them. I felt the last part was unethical and didn't want to be part of it any longer. OP is not doing any favors for themselves, and especially not for the junior devs on the team. This job is going to set back the career for the junior devs. They're wasting their time on ancient methods and technologies.
- vba616 4y ago
  >snowball them Could you define this phrase and what English dialect it's from?
  - snapetom 4y ago
    > what English dialect it's from? I assume American English. Prior to the sexual slang made popular by the movie Clerks, snowballing in the context I used basically means to blindside or con someone. One definition on Urban Dictionary: "A situation where a criminal has found themselves in possession of an easy target and proceeds to rob them and leave them mortally wounded for fun, a synonym for getting iced." There's also snowballing meaning a problem getting bigger and bigger when unaddressed. I'm probably using it in an older, not-exactly-mainstream way.
    - 4y ago

unity1001 4y ago

> OP does not have the corporate experience to handle this situation Even before that, s/he doesn't even seem to understand any measure of business. $20m/year with 3 people is BIG. Any disturbance to whatever makes that happen will hurt the business greatly. When a full rewrite shakes the boat and causes a few millions of revenue loss or the loss of potential market share or opportunities, they will rightly fire him. Best route would be to improve things without hurting anything. It doesn't matter things are 'properly done'. It matters whether the organization survives and prospers. What's 'proper' is redefined every 3-5 years, most of the time without objective basis anyway. So no need to hurt the business to force the current software paradigm.

mgkimsal 4y ago
Is the entirety of the whole company just 3 people? It doesn't sound like it. That 3 person team is just 'tech' it seems - there may be 5-10 managers/sales/support/etc people. And... $20m is revenue, not profit. If the cost of their sales is, say, $15m... and there's 15 people working at the company, that's quite healthy, but it's not some money-printing goldmine at this stage.
- unity1001 4y ago
  > Is the entirety of the whole company just 3 people? From what is told in the summary, it seems like the software stack and these 3 people constitute the core of the business that is going on. The business may be something totally different. But it seems to be running on that software. > And... $20m is revenue Even if they have lower margins than what you yourself imagined, $20 m revenue/year is still a gigantic amount. You can improve upon whetever margin or inefficiency in the process and increase the net profit - optimize vendors, costs, sales pipeline. The difficulty in modern Internet business is getting to some place at which you can command $20 m revenue from any market. Finding the customers and the users. Not the margins.
  - sofrimiento 4y ago
    I’ve worked at a $100 million revenue online company that didn’t make any profit. OP says money is tight after covid, so seems like it the business is connected to a (physical) market that was affected by the pandemic. He says there is an extensive roadmap by a management team that are not familiar with the technical details, so it seems like the technology is not the core business. It’s not difficult getting to a high revenue fueled by aggressive and expensive acquisition using money from investors who gets dazzled by growth numbers, but if your customer lifetime value is low and you’re not a pure SAAS business which means margins won’t automatically improve with scale, turning that company profitable can prove very difficult.

snapetom 4y ago

> I suspect OP does not have the corporate experience to handle this situation. I agree with this. OP doesn't say, but reading between the lines, corporate at best doesn't understand the ramifications, but corporate doesn't care about the ramifications. They're getting 20 million in revenue from 3 cheap devs. Things are going great, according to corporate. They're not going to learn, and OP is going to get blamed when things can't get done. I just quit because I was placed in a similar situation. The CEO, who does have a CS background albeit ancient, insisted there was nothing wrong with the tech stack that couldn't be solved by vertically scaling and then horizontally scaling. We were at the limits of the former and the architecture made many important parts impossible for the later, but that's another discussion. The problem wasn't tech scaling, it was process scaling. We really couldn't divide work easily because there were often conflicts. People would join, see the horrible code, then leave. We specifically had to hire off-shore junior devs who didn't know any better and snowball them. I felt the last part was unethical and didn't want to be part of it any longer. OP is not doing any favors for themselves, and especially not for the junior devs on the team. This job is going to set back the career for the junior devs. They're wasting their time on ancient methods and technologies.

vba616 4y ago
>snowball them Could you define this phrase and what English dialect it's from?
- snapetom 4y ago
  > what English dialect it's from? I assume American English. Prior to the sexual slang made popular by the movie Clerks, snowballing in the context I used basically means to blindside or con someone. One definition on Urban Dictionary: "A situation where a criminal has found themselves in possession of an easy target and proceeds to rob them and leave them mortally wounded for fun, a synonym for getting iced." There's also snowballing meaning a problem getting bigger and bigger when unaddressed. I'm probably using it in an older, not-exactly-mainstream way.
  - 4y ago