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GTA VI Leak [video]

454 points by haunter 4y ago

activitypea 4y ago
I hope that color pallette is not representative of the final game. The washed out gray and light browns don't really scream "vice city" to me.
mhh__ 4y ago
Seems legit to my eyes. Game engine looks like an upgraded GTA V, UI is apparently authentic rockstar.
- DonHopkins 4y ago
  Yes, I love that user interface design style. I predict it will have an ironic resurgence. Some day "Flat Design" will fall out of fashion and all iPhones and Android devices will look that way, mark my word!
- moffkalast 4y ago
  Interesting that they're still using what seems like GTA 5 assets but I suppose it makes sense to use them as placeholders while working on story and gameplay, while the art teams churns the new ones out.
miyuru 4y ago
link to the leak: https://gtaforums.com/topic/985481-gta-6-americas-leak-90-mp4-footagevideos/ https://gtaforums.com/topic/985481-gta-6-americas-leak-90-mp...
- atfzl 4y ago
  The person who posted the link says they were the one who broke into Uber recently. > My previous work: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/15/technology/uber-hacking-breach.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/15/technology/uber-hacking-b...
  - Bayart 4y ago
    > The hacker, who provided screenshots of internal Uber systems to demonstrate his access, said that he was 18 years old and had been working on his cybersecurity skills for several years. He said he had broken into Uber’s systems because the company had weak security. In the Slack message that announced the breach, the person also said Uber drivers should receive higher pay. Seems like a nice kid. I hope he doesn't get caught in litigations.
    - KronisLV 4y ago
      > I hope he doesn't get caught in litigations. If you ever discover vulnerabilities, responsible disclosure seems like the only way to try to keep yourself out of trouble and even then only if ignorant people in the company/lawmakers won't misconstrue what has happened and want to put you in jail regardless. Going on the company Slack, announcing that you're a hacker who has stolen data and finishing your messages with something negative about the company does not seem to be a good way of doing that: > Hi @here > I announce i am a hacker and uber has suffered a data breach. > Slack has been stolen, confidential data with Confluence, stash and 2 monorepos from phabricator have also been stolen, along with secrets from sneakers. > #uberunderpaisdrives That feels like opening yourself up to being treated as a criminal, especially if you post about it elsewhere (like social media) and the "breach" gets attention, which might negatively impact the stock price of the company in question. It's good that many companies out there have bug bounties and hopefully InfoSec will be improved as a consequence of this, but there are better ways about achieving the same result, without putting yourself at so much risk.
      - that_guy_iain 4y ago
        Well, considering what they did was a crime. Being treated like a criminal seems fair.
        KronisLV 4y ago
        Indeed, which is unfortunate, since there already is a better way to go about this (in most cases): https://hackerone.com/uber?type=team https://hackerone.com/uber?type=team Except for the social engineering aspect, in regards to acquiring the credentials, however. Which makes the situation even more problematic.
- honkdaddy 4y ago
  Wow, I can't believe the amount of skepticism and hate the guy initially got! He posts what will end up being a historically important leak that'll hit the mainstream news, and the first comment is "Sorry bud no pic no click". Gamer forums can be a prickly place, haha.
  - _joel 4y ago
    Well, fake leaks aren't exactly uncommon.
  - oldstrangers 4y ago
    That was actually an entertaining ride. Watching the initial doubt and skepticism slow turn into realization and fear.
classified 4y ago
I wish they made a Mac release again, like in the old days.
- xbiitx 4y ago
  cam my m1 macbook air handle gta5
- raihansaputra 4y ago
  I'm really hoping Mac gaming will get better in the next few years. The graphic horsepower is already available, now the limits are for games to be released for Mac and ideally compiled for ARM and implement the Metal graphics API. Unfortunately for now Fortnite is not releasing any new version due to their feud with Apple and CS:GO is still running through Rosetta 2. DotA 2/LoL is already running great AFAIK.
  - ricardobeat 4y ago
    As a long time Mac user my advice is to stop hoping. It’s been a decade of promises, and while you can get pretty decent games from the App Store right now, they are not interested in catching up to PC or console any time soon.
  - unpopularopp 4y ago
    WoW also has Apple Silicon support from day 1
    - raihansaputra 4y ago
      oh yeah WoW not LoL, i remembered wrongly
  - sofixa 4y ago
    The Mac gaming market is miniscule, and requires special special care (different arch and APIs) . It's highly unlikely many game developers will choose to spend that time and money.
Stevvo 4y ago
I feel real bad for Rockstar. So many people have put so much work into this for so many years only for it to leak out in this form is a real shame. I guess their only recourse is to get a trailer out asap to show the game how it was intended to be seen. Leaker claims to be the same guy that hacked Uber.
- Sakos 4y ago
  I don't see how it's a shame. How does it ruin anything at all? I think it's extremely weird how we're so deferential to the PR departments of these billion dollar companies. It's not like the video puts it in a bad light either. It's just footage of development, which is the type of stuff that never gets out after a game is released and is important for historical preservation. Honestly, I'm tired of companies being so tight-lipped about game development in general, so seeing something like this is awesome.
  - oxff 4y ago
    My thoughts too.
  - ErneX 4y ago
    Read this thread: https://twitter.com/charalanahzard/status/1571415201546924038 https://twitter.com/charalanahzard/status/157141520154692403...
    - m1gu3l 4y ago
      - ErneX 4y ago
        Feel free to disagree but imo she's right. GTA makes billions yes, but it's people working on those games, they want their work to be seen the best way possible not because someone got into their systems and decided to leak it. Specially with games like this with years of development.
Bayart 4y ago
That would be the largest video game leak since what, Half Life 2 ? Was there any real AAA source code leak in the meantime ?
- alrlroipsp 4y ago
  There was no source code leak here.
  - ErneX 4y ago
    Seems there was code too, look at the GTA Forums thread. And the HL2 gave us a nice delay. So everybody cheering for leaks I hope they are also cool about waiting longer for the finished game.
    - alrlroipsp 4y ago
      I read the forums. I see the hacker has source, but he has not leaked the source. He posted many screenshots proving he has something authentic, tho.
      - ErneX 4y ago
        Yes no leak to the public yet but he released 10k lines of code to prove he has code.
        alrlroipsp 4y ago
        I saw a pastebin to a single .cpp file, yes. Thread ended with the guy says he's going to sleep (~ 4 hour ago).
      - ndiddy 4y ago
        The hacker is currently trying to blackmail Take 2, will be interesting to see what transpires over the next few days. https://files.catbox.moe/5hl66u.png https://files.catbox.moe/5hl66u.png
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staticassertion 4y ago
Kinda nice that someone's going around showing how shitty the average company's security is. Not that I outright support crime, but it's good to have these anecdotes to point to - silver lining, I suppose. There's really only so much you can say about a company's security through a bug bounty. You can't show how devastating a vuln would be, you're stuck on the perimeter, etc. It leads to companies improving appsec a lot, which is great, but everything else is still weak.
- mkl95 4y ago
  Yup. The average company lets their employees paste credentials on Slack, email them, etc. and they are allowed to be things like "password". The challenge is not really to hack them, is being willing to do it.
- guerrilla 4y ago
  > Kinda nice that someone's going around showing how shitty the average company's security is. Not that I outright support crime, but it's good to have these anecdotes to point to - silver lining, I suppose. Remember lulzsec? If not, I think you would have liked that drama.
  - staticassertion 4y ago
    Oh yeah, for sure. It seems like antisec has taken a significant back seat to bug bounties and the like.
    - guerrilla 4y ago
      I wonder if that means they're actually paying enough or whether there's something else to it.
that_guy_iain 4y ago
I just hope this doesn't result in them rushing it out to launch. Rushing games (or any software product) to launch just results in a crappy product that no one wants to use and needs lots of work to make it a product ready to be used.
- capableweb 4y ago
  Well, if it's something Rockstar is not famous for, is rushing out releases. GTA V was released in 2013 and they probably started working on GTA VI right at launch if not before that. So rest assure, it doesn't seem rushed. Besides, most if not every game looks like trash until just ahead of proper launch, that's just the state of game dev.
  - that_guy_iain 4y ago
    To be fair, Projekt CD weren't famous for it either but it's becoming a much larger trend and the last release from Rockstar for GTA that I remember was widely considered rushed.
    - capableweb 4y ago
      Projekt CD always had buggy releases, remember how The Witcher 3 was at release? In comparison, last big release Rockstar had was Red Dead Redemption 2, and I don't think anyone would call that game rushed in any way, it was very polished at launch.
      - that_guy_iain 4y ago
        Last release they did was re-releasing the GTA games which was not polished at all. And they were just re-releasing.
        capableweb 4y ago
        I wouldn't call that "a big release" and also, Rockstar was not the developer of that re-release AFAIK, merely the publisher.
unpopularopp 4y ago
Cool to see the dev tools! But that made me wonder... will ever have "visual coding/scripting" outside of video game development? Sometimes I wonder that we are still in the "silent cinema age" of computer programming. Sure we have new and modern tools but in the end of the day it's still writing plain text.
- meibo 4y ago
  Even in game development, it often turns out to be a huge mess that coders have to go and sort out after the fact, it's almost inevitable if it's general purpose enough. If you do decide to build a scripting system for designers, I would recommend being very conservative with features and thinking twice before adding any new feature.
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
    Just hire competent and trustworthy designers, instead of purposefully crippling the tools you spend so much time developing. The best designers can also code, and if you design a system that discourages instead of encourages designers from coding, you're wasting the potential of those precious coder/designers, and wasting the opportunity to train your best designers to code too. It's not as if Rock Star can't find anybody qualified who wants to work for them, or any designers who are willing to learn to code in a powerful visual scripting language. This attitude causes disasters like PHP's "Smarty" templating language. PHP was already a templating language, but somebody got it in their head that there should be an iron-clad separation between designers and programmers, and that PHP gave designers too much power and confused them, and that their incompetent untrustworthy designers who refused to learn anything about programming deserved something even "simpler" than PHP, so they came up with Smarty. Then over time the realized that their designers were powerless, so their programmers would have to learn TWO languages so they could wade into the Smarty templates to make them actually work with all the extra code they had to write because Smarty was so crippled, so they nickle-and-dimed more and more incoherent programming language elements into Smarty, making it EVEN HARDER to use and more complicated and less consistent than PHP, yet nowhere near as powerful. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20736574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20736574 DonHopkins on Aug 19, 2019 | parent | context | favorite | on: YAML: Probably not so great after all One of the most ridiculous examples of this was the Smarty templating language for PHP. Somebody got the silly idea in their head of implementing a templating language in PHP, even though PHP is ALREADY a templating language. So they took out all the useful features of PHP, then stuck a few of them back in with even goofier inconsistent hard-to-learn syntax, in a way that required a code generation step, and made templates absolutely impossible to debug. So in the end your template programmers need to know something just as difficult as PHP itself, yet even more esoteric and less well documented, and it doesn't even end up saving PHP programmers any time, either. https://web.archive.org/web/20100226023855/http://lutt.se/blog/2006/08/13/why-template-engines-like-smarty-sucks-in-php.html https://web.archive.org/web/20100226023855/http://lutt.se/bl... >Bad things you accomplish when using Smarty: >Adding a second language to program in, and increasing the complexity. And the language is not well spread at all, allthough it is’nt hard to learn. >Not really making the code more readable for the designer. >You include a lot of code which, in my eyes, is just overkill (more code to parse means slower sites). https://web.archive.org/web/20090227001433/http://www.ranting-wolf.info/2008/03/21/php-truth-about-short-open-tags-and-smarty/ https://web.archive.org/web/20090227001433/http://www.rantin... >Most people would argue, that Smarty is a good solution for templating. I really can’t see any valid reasons, that that is so. Specially since “Templating” and “Language” should never be in the same statement. Let alone one word after another. People are telling me, that Smarty is “better for designers, since they don’t need to learn PHP!”. Wait. What? You’re not learning one programming language, but you’re learning some other? What’s the point in that, anyway? Do us all a favour, and just think the next time you issue that statement, okay? http://www.ianbicking.org/php-ghetto.html http://www.ianbicking.org/php-ghetto.html >I think the Broken Windows theory applies here. PHP is such a load of crap, right down to the standard library, that it creates a culture where it's acceptable to write horrible code. The bugs and security holes are so common, it doesn't seem so important to keep everything in order and audited. Fixes get applied wholesale, with monstrosities like magic quotes. It's like a shoot-first-ask-questions-later policing policy -- sure some apps get messed up, but maybe you catch a few attacks in the process. It's what happened when the language designers gave up. Maybe with PHP 5 they are trying to clean up the neighborhood, but that doesn't change the fact when you program in PHP you are programming in a dump.
mkl95 4y ago
It's been 9 years and this footage looks like a moderate improvement over GTA V. On the other hand, GTA V was released 9 years after San Andreas and the improvement was huge. Is it tech debt, API complexity, financial hurdles, or something else?
- ErneX 4y ago
  You are judging a leak as if it is the final game. If RDR2 is n indication of the quality level of Rockstar GTA VI will be a pretty nice game.
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- WastingMyTime89 4y ago
  That looks like early development footages. They are probably still working on both the engine and the assets. What you see as little to do with what it’s going to look like in the end.
  - mkl95 4y ago
    The question then shifts to why this hacker is posting some early footage. You would expect the newer stuff to be immediately accessible without searching etc. This is allegedly the same guy who hacked Uber and called them out for underpaying drivers, so maybe he's trying to raise awareness about poor security or something.
    - WastingMyTime89 4y ago
      Because GTA 6 is still in the early phase of development? It wouldn’t be surprising. GTA Online makes so much money, Rockstar probably was in no rush to develop a follow-up game.
    - detaro 4y ago
      GTA 6 is likely still years from release, it is still "early" when it comes to graphical polish.
glassconclusion 4y ago
Looks like they are using IMGUI as dev tool: https://github.com/ocornut/imgui https://github.com/ocornut/imgui
- meibo 4y ago
  If you enter any game studio nowadays, you're very likely to see Dear ImGui - it's pretty ubiquitous, and just flexible enough for programmers to make nice debug views for any purpose. It's nice in that you won't have to learn another UI kit when switching studios.
  - Der_Einzige 4y ago
    Wow. The paper on NLP I'm presenting soon includes software that I built using the python fork, dearpygui. I had no idea that dear imgui was so popular. It seems to me to be super high quality of a GUI library.
  - gambiting 4y ago
    Yeah, I work at Ubisoft and we officially sponsor the project too - it's used pretty much on every production we have. You can see it here being used in Rainbow Six: https://montreal.ubisoft.com/en/ubisoft-sponsors-user-interface-library-for-c-dear-imgui/ https://montreal.ubisoft.com/en/ubisoft-sponsors-user-interf...
- Dinux 4y ago
  Yes, for their internal testing tools.
- honkdaddy 4y ago
  Sidebar: if I wanted to eventually transition from Android dev to C++ game dev, is my time building C++ ImGui tools a comparable experience, or is game dev a truly different beast? Curious for some opinions :) The reason I like mobile and small desktop applications is partially for the tight cycles of build/test/fix/ship. Even writing it out now, the experience of working on any game of even moderate complexity must be entirely different, right?
xnx 4y ago
I've exploded plenty of space Marines into red mist at point blank range in Doom, but this direction in realism doesn't feel great. Thinking about the next step in realism and AI NPCs and VR. Hard to see a people spending lots of time consuming this as a net positive.
- qumpis 4y ago
  Why?
- lawxls 4y ago
  Look up GTA V section on twitch. It is constantly in top 5 categories by viewers, some months of the year on par with Just Chatting (Real Life). All of that thanks to Rockstar ability to create realistic world and community Role Play servers.
TheAceOfHearts 4y ago
It'll be interesting to see what kind of innovations Rockstar is able to come up with for the next GTA, nothing stands out to me from these development leaks. The problem with GTA is that it's a fairly shallow game, which limits what kind of immersion you can experience. Imagine if it included more realistic elements like economics and persistent characters. You could decide you have a vendetta against Bob and steal his cheese every time he goes out shopping for groceries. Heck, you could become the cheese kingpin and monopolize access to cheese. Although a more thematic approach would probably have to do with drugs, which doesn't seem like too far of a bridge to jump considering the game genre.
- capableweb 4y ago
  > It'll be interesting to see what kind of innovations Rockstar is able to come up with for the next GTA, nothing stands out to me from these development leaks. I just saw the video quickly, without viewing it all. But the added interaction menu (multiple choices, one was "Rob") seems like it'll add a lot of interactivity to the world. AI seems to have much more complex behavior as well, which would add even more "life-like" feel to the game and again, more interactivity. But, this is a early development build, those could just be prototypes that won't make it into the final game. Certainly a lot of new features are also not shown in the video. Don't think Rockstar would work and release a GTA that is just a minor improvement on the previous version, they always make leaps when it comes to quality of GTA releases.
  - TingPing 4y ago
    You could rob places in every game since San Andreas. It was never interesting.
    - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
      You could point a gun at a person (on street, clerk, etc), and it would trigger a fear response of running, or shitting out some algorithmically decided amount of money.
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mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
Hopefully it has a good single player mode. I have no interest in GTA online or any other online game for that matter. Gaming for me is about escape and immersion, not toxic interactions with others which is 90% of what I got when I tried GTA online.
- ChildOfChaos 4y ago
  Hope so too, but online is such a cash cow for companies they often don't care much about the single player experience anymore
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- ErneX 4y ago
  It has a full campaign, don’t worry.
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
    That's good. I've been worried with all the GTA Online ads I've been seeing lately that they were gonna go all in on it.
  - throwaway743 4y ago
    Hopefully side activities too. One feature I wish they'd bring back are the turf wars from San Andreas. Personally felt like it was almost a bigger calling to than the missions. The reward felt greater as it gave the sense of ownership and expanding one's territory/empire, which also gave the benefit of not stressing about being taken out by a gang during missions. Either way, can't wait to see what they have to present.
- koheripbal 4y ago
  I did not see much evidence of story line anywhere in the leak. It looked entirely like resource collection and vanilla game mechanics. No checkpoints were visible even. I think it's far more likely that this game will be about "open world" and "multiplayer" combat and driving mechanics, centered around resource collection.
raydiatian 4y ago
Theory: GTA will become the actual metaverse.
- mhh__ 4y ago
  Fortnite basically already is a metaverse (i.e. kids meet at the weekend in Fortnite)
  - spaceman_2020 4y ago
    To be fair, HN, too is a metaverse of its own My real name is not really Spaceman, and I don’t really talk like this in the real world all the time. Every social profile exists in its own little meta space where you might not exactly be who you are irl.
- cm2187 4y ago
  The metaverse will be the graphics of gta combined with the civility of twitter
  - raydiatian 4y ago
    As long as it has single player mode
    - ok_dad 4y ago
      Even GTA online has single player mode now!
  - ok_dad 4y ago
    The civility of Twitter would be an improvement to the civility in GTA online, bud.
neilv 4y ago
I'm guessing it might just be current GTA look&feel, not, say, some dramatic jump in realism or mechanics. I hope GTA Online grows (e.g., the world grows, to include Liberty City), with characters and their stuff carrying over.
- koheripbal 4y ago
  Stories. It needs good stories.
Laarlf 4y ago
I really hope for a COOP story. GTA V looked like the perfect game for it but that never happened. I really enjoy COOP games with friends because of the general increased hostility in Multiplayer games (or at least I feel like it) and the endless microtransactions, but I feel like there are way too few COOP games...
- chippiewill 4y ago
  Weren't all the multiplayer heists in GTA Online basically coop GTA?
  - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
    Not sure, still loading.
  - Laarlf 4y ago
    While I agree, all of them required specific amounts of players to play, sometimes you keep friends out, sometimes you had randos who had no idea what they were doing. And really... there were way too few of them. The playtime is not that long of them and they are too linear to be worth replaying. Saints row 3 arguably has better coop. Saints rows story is not built for this, but they just play the cutscenes at the same time and sync the world. Now if rockstar spent 12 days implementing that... The GTA story would be almost perfect to play together IMO. If they bothered to sync things up. Your statement is not technically wrong, the best kind of not wrong. I saw a lot of games in the past which had some COOP mode which you can technically call COOP, but just has so few things to do that I feel like it was just an excuse to write COOP on the box. Battlefield 3, Far Cry 3 come to mind.
Thaxll 4y ago
Looks like the hack was made exactly how it was done for EA using stolen Slack cookie: https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kvkqb/how-ea-games-was-hacked-slack https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kvkqb/how-ea-games-was-hack... There was a huge leak for Diablo 4 two weeks ago as well.
- sourthyme 4y ago
  The lesson is don't send passwords over slack. If you have slack access can you easily get access to private/historical messages?
  - rbera 4y ago
    It depends on your company’s retention policy for historical messages. Otherwise, you’re basically signed in as that user, so you can see whatever they see… which can be a lot depending on the company’s transparency.
    - lelandfe 4y ago
      I’m aware of many companies who have moved to a 90 day message retention policy in Slack. I thought it was a cost saving measure. But I’m beginning to see the wisdom in it.
      - moeadham 4y ago
        They way things are going, 90 days is too long.
        djmips 4y ago
        Without infinite retention, our company would lose untold searchable solutions to problems and other vital information.
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Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
So is it Miami or LA for the third time in a row? You can't really see it from the leak.
- kabes 4y ago
  The leak contains some hints it's set in vice city.
- Aruchizan 4y ago
  Grand Theft Auto IV was set in Liberty City (New York City). Grand Theft Auto V was set in San Andreas (Los Angeles). Grand Theft Auto VI will be set in Vice City (Miami).
  - Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
    Oh snap...GTA 4 literally came and went without noticing. At least for me, I don't think I ever really played it. I remember Los Santos in GTA San Andreas and Los Santos in V
LinuxBender 4y ago
Will GTA VI address the massive security issues around the game client and their community databases that exist in GTA V? Will players have to use mod menu's to avoid being crashed, booted, doxxed, insta-killed and their internet connection reset?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
  I remember pissing somebody off so much that they ddosed my friend and I but they didn't have the bandwidth to do both at the same time. Our home internet connections took turns being knocked offline for a few hours. It's funny how ready some people are to commit federal crimes over a multiplayer game.
  - SebastianKra 4y ago
    GTA Online seems to encourage a very unusual kind of contempt. Rage in games is not uncommon, but here it's as if it's the default mode of play. PvP usually starts out of spite (eg. Player A kills Player B out of boredom) and then turns into pissing matches over who has bought the most expensive toys. The end-game is literally a Microtransaction that instantly kills anyone for 7€ real Money.
kgeist 4y ago
The graphics and animations look somewhat dated, but I assume the footage in question is about figuring out gameplay mechanics and most of the assets are dummy assets quickly put together for the prototype.
Insanity 4y ago
I loved GTA as a teenager, messing around in III or SA with cheats. Spawning random crap and having a huge sandbox to play in. Guess I did grow out of that, as neither IV nor V managed to keep my interest for more than a few hours.
- esotericsean 4y ago
  I'm 37 and I've put hundreds of hours into IV and V just driving around and having fun. I don't have as much time for it anymore since I'm married with a kid on the way, but I still enjoy the heck out of it.
March_f6 4y ago
I know this is besides the point and maybe I'm just getting older, but the gameplay seems particularly disturbing in way that it didn't 10 years ago. I guess that's to be expected given the nature of art.
czottmann 4y ago
Isn't this worthless without the somewhat ham-fisted social commentary of the actual game?
ok_dad 4y ago
As someone who played gta online a lot, here’s some thoughts: - the behavior of npcs is way more complex here. They’re not just running off scared. The ones at the registers have a way more complex animation than the current gen game. - the cops seem to have a more refined line of sight and search pattern. They don’t just come at you. - there is way more use of interiors here, in the current gen there are very few interiors other than instanced garages and stuff. Nothing else really stood out but it’s clear that even if the graphics are not updated they’ll still have plenty of improvements to gameplay mechanics and world depth.
- haunter 4y ago
  Graphics are definitely upgraded even if it's an older build. The volumetric fog is the same one as in RDR2 https://imgur.com/a/BKGj0vH https://imgur.com/a/BKGj0vH
  - ok_dad 4y ago
    Yea, based on a more detailed viewing of the leak, I feel like they used a lot of RDR2 code. It’s been a while since I played RDR2, but I get a distinct feeling that the NPC behavior is similar to RDR2 somehow that I can’t really put my finger on. It would make sense, because I believe RDR2 was using an upgraded Rage engine from the GTA5 engine.
- torginus 4y ago
  I wonder if this dumb behavior in games (GTA in particular, and games in general) has to do with the incredibly lackluster CPU power in consoles - a single core of the PS4 has about 2/3rds the performance of a Core 2 Duo core which came out in 2006.
  - aqfamnzc 4y ago
    With 8 cores and (I would imagine) much more dev time put into optimization than your typical software, I don't see that as an issue really. Most home computer software is still single-threaded, so it makes sense a single core would need to be more powerful in that scenario. Although, I guess maybe my argument is moot since your average home PC CPU is going to have at least 4, probably more, cores...
phatfish 4y ago
"Part 2" is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ujhGmSImQg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ujhGmSImQg
mensetmanusman 4y ago
I can’t wait for the Galaxy Note 7 mod on GTA6… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_GhODn4FRoE https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_GhODn4FRoE
beej71 4y ago
Though I haven't been in the industry for 15+ years, I think this video gives you an excellent idea of the day-to-day life of a game developer.
kybernetyk 4y ago
I'll only play it when you can enter any building. This was a bummer in GTA V online mode. Only a few buildings were open.
midislack 4y ago
Kyle, the Kenosha Kid, is set to be a villain in this installation! Take THAT lol.
colinthompson 4y ago
Please don’t click these links or share these videos. As a member of the film/animation industry, hearing about leaks like this absolutely hits me. Please think of the hundreds of artists and programmers who have worked countless hours on this game. They are all heartbroken right now. We can all honor their hard work by not watching this leaked content. Wait til they finish.
- yieldcrv 4y ago
  what, can you elaborate more on why we should: 1) empathize 2) in that specific way this is a far cry from my initial thought of “don't tell me what to do” so I’m really curious if you can articulate in a way more of us can relate to
  - colinthompson 4y ago
    First and foremost- this content was stolen. You haven’t paid for it. If you saw a stolen car left on the side of the road, would to take it for a joyride? Secondly, do you think watching these these videos is making anyone at rockstar fired up? Do you think they like this? I believe that almost all of them are deeply saddened by this. Should we celebrate and respect people’s work by making them feel awful? Lastly I’m not telling anyone what to do. I’m just merely pointing out that this content is not soul-less. It’s built on the backs of people who did not willingly share this material. I think it’s awesome if people are curious, but I think to is incredible disrespectful to execute that curiosity by forcefully stealing something.
    - yieldcrv 4y ago
      The semantics are more important to me, and it affects my thoughts on your analogies too. Stealing requires moving something from its original place, like the car. This was copied. It is copyright infringement, at best, and an issue for the person copying for others consumption, not the consumer. Its not the consumers responsibility to know who has a license to avoid infringing a copyright, and it isn't their liability to view. Elaborate marketing stunt or actual leak? Not my responsibility to care. But let me know if you come up with a more applicable analogy, I’m fine with analogies comparing dissimilar things that share something in common, I think this one dilutes your point here and fails at providing any introspective possibility. I can relate to the idea that someone wanted a grand reveal, I don't have the same feelings as you about them being deprived of that goal. I think there would be plenty of artists in the organization that are annoyed at the direction of the development choices and are elated that the public can criticize it now.
drummer 4y ago
Why is this not on hn front page? This is the bigger than the second coming of christ
wan_ala 4y ago
This article is claiming that Jason Schrier believes its real. https://www.sportskeeda.com/gta/news-renowned-leaker-jason-schreier-believes-gta-6-leak-might-real https://www.sportskeeda.com/gta/news-renowned-leaker-jason-s... Edit: forgot to include article
mindcrash 4y ago
It's already gone. And Rockstar is DMCA'ing these videos faster than you can say "GTA 6", by the way.
Technetium 4y ago
This has been removed from YT, does someone have a mirror?
- mattymf 4y ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/GTA/comments/xhkc8o/gta_6_a_sorted_list_of_the_90_videos_allegedly/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GTA/comments/xhkc8o/gta_6_a_sorted_...
samjanis 4y ago
Video taken down. Got a lot of attention when it was up.
mattymf 4y ago
Here are some of the leaked videos: Night club: https://streamable.com/6g87e8 https://streamable.com/6g87e8 Gun fight debugging(?) session: https://streamable.com/3zw3ed https://streamable.com/3zw3ed Vice City Metro: https://streamable.com/rx0hed https://streamable.com/rx0hed Truck parkour: https://streamable.com/70mre0 https://streamable.com/70mre0 Dev adjustments: https://streamable.com/kbp778 https://streamable.com/kbp778

454 points by haunter 4y ago

I hope that color pallette is not representative of the final game. The washed out gray and light browns don't really scream "vice city" to me.

mhh__ 4y ago

Seems legit to my eyes. Game engine looks like an upgraded GTA V, UI is apparently authentic rockstar.

DonHopkins 4y ago
Yes, I love that user interface design style. I predict it will have an ironic resurgence. Some day "Flat Design" will fall out of fashion and all iPhones and Android devices will look that way, mark my word!
moffkalast 4y ago
Interesting that they're still using what seems like GTA 5 assets but I suppose it makes sense to use them as placeholders while working on story and gameplay, while the art teams churns the new ones out.

miyuru 4y ago

link to the leak: https://gtaforums.com/topic/985481-gta-6-americas-leak-90-mp4-footagevideos/ https://gtaforums.com/topic/985481-gta-6-americas-leak-90-mp...

atfzl 4y ago
The person who posted the link says they were the one who broke into Uber recently. > My previous work: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/15/technology/uber-hacking-breach.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/15/technology/uber-hacking-b...
- Bayart 4y ago
  > The hacker, who provided screenshots of internal Uber systems to demonstrate his access, said that he was 18 years old and had been working on his cybersecurity skills for several years. He said he had broken into Uber’s systems because the company had weak security. In the Slack message that announced the breach, the person also said Uber drivers should receive higher pay. Seems like a nice kid. I hope he doesn't get caught in litigations.
  - KronisLV 4y ago
    > I hope he doesn't get caught in litigations. If you ever discover vulnerabilities, responsible disclosure seems like the only way to try to keep yourself out of trouble and even then only if ignorant people in the company/lawmakers won't misconstrue what has happened and want to put you in jail regardless. Going on the company Slack, announcing that you're a hacker who has stolen data and finishing your messages with something negative about the company does not seem to be a good way of doing that: > Hi @here > I announce i am a hacker and uber has suffered a data breach. > Slack has been stolen, confidential data with Confluence, stash and 2 monorepos from phabricator have also been stolen, along with secrets from sneakers. > #uberunderpaisdrives That feels like opening yourself up to being treated as a criminal, especially if you post about it elsewhere (like social media) and the "breach" gets attention, which might negatively impact the stock price of the company in question. It's good that many companies out there have bug bounties and hopefully InfoSec will be improved as a consequence of this, but there are better ways about achieving the same result, without putting yourself at so much risk.
    - that_guy_iain 4y ago
      Well, considering what they did was a crime. Being treated like a criminal seems fair.
      - KronisLV 4y ago
        Indeed, which is unfortunate, since there already is a better way to go about this (in most cases): https://hackerone.com/uber?type=team https://hackerone.com/uber?type=team Except for the social engineering aspect, in regards to acquiring the credentials, however. Which makes the situation even more problematic.
honkdaddy 4y ago
Wow, I can't believe the amount of skepticism and hate the guy initially got! He posts what will end up being a historically important leak that'll hit the mainstream news, and the first comment is "Sorry bud no pic no click". Gamer forums can be a prickly place, haha.
- _joel 4y ago
  Well, fake leaks aren't exactly uncommon.
- oldstrangers 4y ago
  That was actually an entertaining ride. Watching the initial doubt and skepticism slow turn into realization and fear.

classified 4y ago

I wish they made a Mac release again, like in the old days.

xbiitx 4y ago
cam my m1 macbook air handle gta5
raihansaputra 4y ago
I'm really hoping Mac gaming will get better in the next few years. The graphic horsepower is already available, now the limits are for games to be released for Mac and ideally compiled for ARM and implement the Metal graphics API. Unfortunately for now Fortnite is not releasing any new version due to their feud with Apple and CS:GO is still running through Rosetta 2. DotA 2/LoL is already running great AFAIK.
- ricardobeat 4y ago
  As a long time Mac user my advice is to stop hoping. It’s been a decade of promises, and while you can get pretty decent games from the App Store right now, they are not interested in catching up to PC or console any time soon.
- unpopularopp 4y ago
  WoW also has Apple Silicon support from day 1
  - raihansaputra 4y ago
    oh yeah WoW not LoL, i remembered wrongly
- sofixa 4y ago
  The Mac gaming market is miniscule, and requires special special care (different arch and APIs) . It's highly unlikely many game developers will choose to spend that time and money.

Stevvo 4y ago

I feel real bad for Rockstar. So many people have put so much work into this for so many years only for it to leak out in this form is a real shame. I guess their only recourse is to get a trailer out asap to show the game how it was intended to be seen. Leaker claims to be the same guy that hacked Uber.

Sakos 4y ago
I don't see how it's a shame. How does it ruin anything at all? I think it's extremely weird how we're so deferential to the PR departments of these billion dollar companies. It's not like the video puts it in a bad light either. It's just footage of development, which is the type of stuff that never gets out after a game is released and is important for historical preservation. Honestly, I'm tired of companies being so tight-lipped about game development in general, so seeing something like this is awesome.
- oxff 4y ago
  My thoughts too.
- ErneX 4y ago
  Read this thread: https://twitter.com/charalanahzard/status/1571415201546924038 https://twitter.com/charalanahzard/status/157141520154692403...
  - m1gu3l 4y ago
    - ErneX 4y ago
      Feel free to disagree but imo she's right. GTA makes billions yes, but it's people working on those games, they want their work to be seen the best way possible not because someone got into their systems and decided to leak it. Specially with games like this with years of development.

Bayart 4y ago

That would be the largest video game leak since what, Half Life 2 ? Was there any real AAA source code leak in the meantime ?

alrlroipsp 4y ago
There was no source code leak here.
- ErneX 4y ago
  Seems there was code too, look at the GTA Forums thread. And the HL2 gave us a nice delay. So everybody cheering for leaks I hope they are also cool about waiting longer for the finished game.
  - alrlroipsp 4y ago
    I read the forums. I see the hacker has source, but he has not leaked the source. He posted many screenshots proving he has something authentic, tho.
    - ErneX 4y ago
      Yes no leak to the public yet but he released 10k lines of code to prove he has code.
      - alrlroipsp 4y ago
        I saw a pastebin to a single .cpp file, yes. Thread ended with the guy says he's going to sleep (~ 4 hour ago).
    - ndiddy 4y ago
      The hacker is currently trying to blackmail Take 2, will be interesting to see what transpires over the next few days. https://files.catbox.moe/5hl66u.png https://files.catbox.moe/5hl66u.png
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staticassertion 4y ago

Kinda nice that someone's going around showing how shitty the average company's security is. Not that I outright support crime, but it's good to have these anecdotes to point to - silver lining, I suppose. There's really only so much you can say about a company's security through a bug bounty. You can't show how devastating a vuln would be, you're stuck on the perimeter, etc. It leads to companies improving appsec a lot, which is great, but everything else is still weak.

mkl95 4y ago
Yup. The average company lets their employees paste credentials on Slack, email them, etc. and they are allowed to be things like "password". The challenge is not really to hack them, is being willing to do it.
guerrilla 4y ago
> Kinda nice that someone's going around showing how shitty the average company's security is. Not that I outright support crime, but it's good to have these anecdotes to point to - silver lining, I suppose. Remember lulzsec? If not, I think you would have liked that drama.
- staticassertion 4y ago
  Oh yeah, for sure. It seems like antisec has taken a significant back seat to bug bounties and the like.
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    I wonder if that means they're actually paying enough or whether there's something else to it.

that_guy_iain 4y ago

I just hope this doesn't result in them rushing it out to launch. Rushing games (or any software product) to launch just results in a crappy product that no one wants to use and needs lots of work to make it a product ready to be used.

capableweb 4y ago
Well, if it's something Rockstar is not famous for, is rushing out releases. GTA V was released in 2013 and they probably started working on GTA VI right at launch if not before that. So rest assure, it doesn't seem rushed. Besides, most if not every game looks like trash until just ahead of proper launch, that's just the state of game dev.
- that_guy_iain 4y ago
  To be fair, Projekt CD weren't famous for it either but it's becoming a much larger trend and the last release from Rockstar for GTA that I remember was widely considered rushed.
  - capableweb 4y ago
    Projekt CD always had buggy releases, remember how The Witcher 3 was at release? In comparison, last big release Rockstar had was Red Dead Redemption 2, and I don't think anyone would call that game rushed in any way, it was very polished at launch.
    - that_guy_iain 4y ago
      Last release they did was re-releasing the GTA games which was not polished at all. And they were just re-releasing.
      - capableweb 4y ago
        I wouldn't call that "a big release" and also, Rockstar was not the developer of that re-release AFAIK, merely the publisher.

unpopularopp 4y ago

Cool to see the dev tools! But that made me wonder... will ever have "visual coding/scripting" outside of video game development? Sometimes I wonder that we are still in the "silent cinema age" of computer programming. Sure we have new and modern tools but in the end of the day it's still writing plain text.

meibo 4y ago
Even in game development, it often turns out to be a huge mess that coders have to go and sort out after the fact, it's almost inevitable if it's general purpose enough. If you do decide to build a scripting system for designers, I would recommend being very conservative with features and thinking twice before adding any new feature.
- DonHopkins 4y ago
  Just hire competent and trustworthy designers, instead of purposefully crippling the tools you spend so much time developing. The best designers can also code, and if you design a system that discourages instead of encourages designers from coding, you're wasting the potential of those precious coder/designers, and wasting the opportunity to train your best designers to code too. It's not as if Rock Star can't find anybody qualified who wants to work for them, or any designers who are willing to learn to code in a powerful visual scripting language. This attitude causes disasters like PHP's "Smarty" templating language. PHP was already a templating language, but somebody got it in their head that there should be an iron-clad separation between designers and programmers, and that PHP gave designers too much power and confused them, and that their incompetent untrustworthy designers who refused to learn anything about programming deserved something even "simpler" than PHP, so they came up with Smarty. Then over time the realized that their designers were powerless, so their programmers would have to learn TWO languages so they could wade into the Smarty templates to make them actually work with all the extra code they had to write because Smarty was so crippled, so they nickle-and-dimed more and more incoherent programming language elements into Smarty, making it EVEN HARDER to use and more complicated and less consistent than PHP, yet nowhere near as powerful. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20736574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20736574 DonHopkins on Aug 19, 2019 | parent | context | favorite | on: YAML: Probably not so great after all One of the most ridiculous examples of this was the Smarty templating language for PHP. Somebody got the silly idea in their head of implementing a templating language in PHP, even though PHP is ALREADY a templating language. So they took out all the useful features of PHP, then stuck a few of them back in with even goofier inconsistent hard-to-learn syntax, in a way that required a code generation step, and made templates absolutely impossible to debug. So in the end your template programmers need to know something just as difficult as PHP itself, yet even more esoteric and less well documented, and it doesn't even end up saving PHP programmers any time, either. https://web.archive.org/web/20100226023855/http://lutt.se/blog/2006/08/13/why-template-engines-like-smarty-sucks-in-php.html https://web.archive.org/web/20100226023855/http://lutt.se/bl... >Bad things you accomplish when using Smarty: >Adding a second language to program in, and increasing the complexity. And the language is not well spread at all, allthough it is’nt hard to learn. >Not really making the code more readable for the designer. >You include a lot of code which, in my eyes, is just overkill (more code to parse means slower sites). https://web.archive.org/web/20090227001433/http://www.ranting-wolf.info/2008/03/21/php-truth-about-short-open-tags-and-smarty/ https://web.archive.org/web/20090227001433/http://www.rantin... >Most people would argue, that Smarty is a good solution for templating. I really can’t see any valid reasons, that that is so. Specially since “Templating” and “Language” should never be in the same statement. Let alone one word after another. People are telling me, that Smarty is “better for designers, since they don’t need to learn PHP!”. Wait. What? You’re not learning one programming language, but you’re learning some other? What’s the point in that, anyway? Do us all a favour, and just think the next time you issue that statement, okay? http://www.ianbicking.org/php-ghetto.html http://www.ianbicking.org/php-ghetto.html >I think the Broken Windows theory applies here. PHP is such a load of crap, right down to the standard library, that it creates a culture where it's acceptable to write horrible code. The bugs and security holes are so common, it doesn't seem so important to keep everything in order and audited. Fixes get applied wholesale, with monstrosities like magic quotes. It's like a shoot-first-ask-questions-later policing policy -- sure some apps get messed up, but maybe you catch a few attacks in the process. It's what happened when the language designers gave up. Maybe with PHP 5 they are trying to clean up the neighborhood, but that doesn't change the fact when you program in PHP you are programming in a dump.

mkl95 4y ago

It's been 9 years and this footage looks like a moderate improvement over GTA V. On the other hand, GTA V was released 9 years after San Andreas and the improvement was huge. Is it tech debt, API complexity, financial hurdles, or something else?

ErneX 4y ago
You are judging a leak as if it is the final game. If RDR2 is n indication of the quality level of Rockstar GTA VI will be a pretty nice game.
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WastingMyTime89 4y ago
That looks like early development footages. They are probably still working on both the engine and the assets. What you see as little to do with what it’s going to look like in the end.
- mkl95 4y ago
  The question then shifts to why this hacker is posting some early footage. You would expect the newer stuff to be immediately accessible without searching etc. This is allegedly the same guy who hacked Uber and called them out for underpaying drivers, so maybe he's trying to raise awareness about poor security or something.
  - WastingMyTime89 4y ago
    Because GTA 6 is still in the early phase of development? It wouldn’t be surprising. GTA Online makes so much money, Rockstar probably was in no rush to develop a follow-up game.
  - detaro 4y ago
    GTA 6 is likely still years from release, it is still "early" when it comes to graphical polish.

glassconclusion 4y ago

Looks like they are using IMGUI as dev tool: https://github.com/ocornut/imgui https://github.com/ocornut/imgui

meibo 4y ago
If you enter any game studio nowadays, you're very likely to see Dear ImGui - it's pretty ubiquitous, and just flexible enough for programmers to make nice debug views for any purpose. It's nice in that you won't have to learn another UI kit when switching studios.
- Der_Einzige 4y ago
  Wow. The paper on NLP I'm presenting soon includes software that I built using the python fork, dearpygui. I had no idea that dear imgui was so popular. It seems to me to be super high quality of a GUI library.
- gambiting 4y ago
  Yeah, I work at Ubisoft and we officially sponsor the project too - it's used pretty much on every production we have. You can see it here being used in Rainbow Six: https://montreal.ubisoft.com/en/ubisoft-sponsors-user-interface-library-for-c-dear-imgui/ https://montreal.ubisoft.com/en/ubisoft-sponsors-user-interf...
Dinux 4y ago
Yes, for their internal testing tools.
honkdaddy 4y ago
Sidebar: if I wanted to eventually transition from Android dev to C++ game dev, is my time building C++ ImGui tools a comparable experience, or is game dev a truly different beast? Curious for some opinions :) The reason I like mobile and small desktop applications is partially for the tight cycles of build/test/fix/ship. Even writing it out now, the experience of working on any game of even moderate complexity must be entirely different, right?

xnx 4y ago

I've exploded plenty of space Marines into red mist at point blank range in Doom, but this direction in realism doesn't feel great. Thinking about the next step in realism and AI NPCs and VR. Hard to see a people spending lots of time consuming this as a net positive.

qumpis 4y ago
Why?
lawxls 4y ago
Look up GTA V section on twitch. It is constantly in top 5 categories by viewers, some months of the year on par with Just Chatting (Real Life). All of that thanks to Rockstar ability to create realistic world and community Role Play servers.

TheAceOfHearts 4y ago

It'll be interesting to see what kind of innovations Rockstar is able to come up with for the next GTA, nothing stands out to me from these development leaks. The problem with GTA is that it's a fairly shallow game, which limits what kind of immersion you can experience. Imagine if it included more realistic elements like economics and persistent characters. You could decide you have a vendetta against Bob and steal his cheese every time he goes out shopping for groceries. Heck, you could become the cheese kingpin and monopolize access to cheese. Although a more thematic approach would probably have to do with drugs, which doesn't seem like too far of a bridge to jump considering the game genre.

capableweb 4y ago
> It'll be interesting to see what kind of innovations Rockstar is able to come up with for the next GTA, nothing stands out to me from these development leaks. I just saw the video quickly, without viewing it all. But the added interaction menu (multiple choices, one was "Rob") seems like it'll add a lot of interactivity to the world. AI seems to have much more complex behavior as well, which would add even more "life-like" feel to the game and again, more interactivity. But, this is a early development build, those could just be prototypes that won't make it into the final game. Certainly a lot of new features are also not shown in the video. Don't think Rockstar would work and release a GTA that is just a minor improvement on the previous version, they always make leaps when it comes to quality of GTA releases.
- TingPing 4y ago
  You could rob places in every game since San Andreas. It was never interesting.
  - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
    You could point a gun at a person (on street, clerk, etc), and it would trigger a fear response of running, or shitting out some algorithmically decided amount of money.
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mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago

Hopefully it has a good single player mode. I have no interest in GTA online or any other online game for that matter. Gaming for me is about escape and immersion, not toxic interactions with others which is 90% of what I got when I tried GTA online.

ChildOfChaos 4y ago
Hope so too, but online is such a cash cow for companies they often don't care much about the single player experience anymore
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ErneX 4y ago
It has a full campaign, don’t worry.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
  That's good. I've been worried with all the GTA Online ads I've been seeing lately that they were gonna go all in on it.
- throwaway743 4y ago
  Hopefully side activities too. One feature I wish they'd bring back are the turf wars from San Andreas. Personally felt like it was almost a bigger calling to than the missions. The reward felt greater as it gave the sense of ownership and expanding one's territory/empire, which also gave the benefit of not stressing about being taken out by a gang during missions. Either way, can't wait to see what they have to present.
koheripbal 4y ago
I did not see much evidence of story line anywhere in the leak. It looked entirely like resource collection and vanilla game mechanics. No checkpoints were visible even. I think it's far more likely that this game will be about "open world" and "multiplayer" combat and driving mechanics, centered around resource collection.

raydiatian 4y ago

Theory: GTA will become the actual metaverse.

mhh__ 4y ago
Fortnite basically already is a metaverse (i.e. kids meet at the weekend in Fortnite)
- spaceman_2020 4y ago
  To be fair, HN, too is a metaverse of its own My real name is not really Spaceman, and I don’t really talk like this in the real world all the time. Every social profile exists in its own little meta space where you might not exactly be who you are irl.
cm2187 4y ago
The metaverse will be the graphics of gta combined with the civility of twitter
- raydiatian 4y ago
  As long as it has single player mode
  - ok_dad 4y ago
    Even GTA online has single player mode now!
- ok_dad 4y ago
  The civility of Twitter would be an improvement to the civility in GTA online, bud.

neilv 4y ago

I'm guessing it might just be current GTA look&feel, not, say, some dramatic jump in realism or mechanics. I hope GTA Online grows (e.g., the world grows, to include Liberty City), with characters and their stuff carrying over.

koheripbal 4y ago
Stories. It needs good stories.

Laarlf 4y ago

I really hope for a COOP story. GTA V looked like the perfect game for it but that never happened. I really enjoy COOP games with friends because of the general increased hostility in Multiplayer games (or at least I feel like it) and the endless microtransactions, but I feel like there are way too few COOP games...

chippiewill 4y ago
Weren't all the multiplayer heists in GTA Online basically coop GTA?
- aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
  Not sure, still loading.
- Laarlf 4y ago
  While I agree, all of them required specific amounts of players to play, sometimes you keep friends out, sometimes you had randos who had no idea what they were doing. And really... there were way too few of them. The playtime is not that long of them and they are too linear to be worth replaying. Saints row 3 arguably has better coop. Saints rows story is not built for this, but they just play the cutscenes at the same time and sync the world. Now if rockstar spent 12 days implementing that... The GTA story would be almost perfect to play together IMO. If they bothered to sync things up. Your statement is not technically wrong, the best kind of not wrong. I saw a lot of games in the past which had some COOP mode which you can technically call COOP, but just has so few things to do that I feel like it was just an excuse to write COOP on the box. Battlefield 3, Far Cry 3 come to mind.

Thaxll 4y ago

Looks like the hack was made exactly how it was done for EA using stolen Slack cookie: https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kvkqb/how-ea-games-was-hacked-slack https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kvkqb/how-ea-games-was-hack... There was a huge leak for Diablo 4 two weeks ago as well.

sourthyme 4y ago
The lesson is don't send passwords over slack. If you have slack access can you easily get access to private/historical messages?
- rbera 4y ago
  It depends on your company’s retention policy for historical messages. Otherwise, you’re basically signed in as that user, so you can see whatever they see… which can be a lot depending on the company’s transparency.
  - lelandfe 4y ago
    I’m aware of many companies who have moved to a 90 day message retention policy in Slack. I thought it was a cost saving measure. But I’m beginning to see the wisdom in it.
    - moeadham 4y ago
      They way things are going, 90 days is too long.
      - djmips 4y ago
        Without infinite retention, our company would lose untold searchable solutions to problems and other vital information.
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Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago

So is it Miami or LA for the third time in a row? You can't really see it from the leak.

kabes 4y ago
The leak contains some hints it's set in vice city.
Aruchizan 4y ago
Grand Theft Auto IV was set in Liberty City (New York City). Grand Theft Auto V was set in San Andreas (Los Angeles). Grand Theft Auto VI will be set in Vice City (Miami).
- Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
  Oh snap...GTA 4 literally came and went without noticing. At least for me, I don't think I ever really played it. I remember Los Santos in GTA San Andreas and Los Santos in V

LinuxBender 4y ago

Will GTA VI address the massive security issues around the game client and their community databases that exist in GTA V? Will players have to use mod menu's to avoid being crashed, booted, doxxed, insta-killed and their internet connection reset?

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
I remember pissing somebody off so much that they ddosed my friend and I but they didn't have the bandwidth to do both at the same time. Our home internet connections took turns being knocked offline for a few hours. It's funny how ready some people are to commit federal crimes over a multiplayer game.
- SebastianKra 4y ago
  GTA Online seems to encourage a very unusual kind of contempt. Rage in games is not uncommon, but here it's as if it's the default mode of play. PvP usually starts out of spite (eg. Player A kills Player B out of boredom) and then turns into pissing matches over who has bought the most expensive toys. The end-game is literally a Microtransaction that instantly kills anyone for 7€ real Money.

kgeist 4y ago

The graphics and animations look somewhat dated, but I assume the footage in question is about figuring out gameplay mechanics and most of the assets are dummy assets quickly put together for the prototype.

Insanity 4y ago

I loved GTA as a teenager, messing around in III or SA with cheats. Spawning random crap and having a huge sandbox to play in. Guess I did grow out of that, as neither IV nor V managed to keep my interest for more than a few hours.

esotericsean 4y ago
I'm 37 and I've put hundreds of hours into IV and V just driving around and having fun. I don't have as much time for it anymore since I'm married with a kid on the way, but I still enjoy the heck out of it.

March_f6 4y ago

I know this is besides the point and maybe I'm just getting older, but the gameplay seems particularly disturbing in way that it didn't 10 years ago. I guess that's to be expected given the nature of art.

czottmann 4y ago

Isn't this worthless without the somewhat ham-fisted social commentary of the actual game?

ok_dad 4y ago

As someone who played gta online a lot, here’s some thoughts: - the behavior of npcs is way more complex here. They’re not just running off scared. The ones at the registers have a way more complex animation than the current gen game. - the cops seem to have a more refined line of sight and search pattern. They don’t just come at you. - there is way more use of interiors here, in the current gen there are very few interiors other than instanced garages and stuff. Nothing else really stood out but it’s clear that even if the graphics are not updated they’ll still have plenty of improvements to gameplay mechanics and world depth.

haunter 4y ago
Graphics are definitely upgraded even if it's an older build. The volumetric fog is the same one as in RDR2 https://imgur.com/a/BKGj0vH https://imgur.com/a/BKGj0vH
- ok_dad 4y ago
  Yea, based on a more detailed viewing of the leak, I feel like they used a lot of RDR2 code. It’s been a while since I played RDR2, but I get a distinct feeling that the NPC behavior is similar to RDR2 somehow that I can’t really put my finger on. It would make sense, because I believe RDR2 was using an upgraded Rage engine from the GTA5 engine.
torginus 4y ago
I wonder if this dumb behavior in games (GTA in particular, and games in general) has to do with the incredibly lackluster CPU power in consoles - a single core of the PS4 has about 2/3rds the performance of a Core 2 Duo core which came out in 2006.
- aqfamnzc 4y ago
  With 8 cores and (I would imagine) much more dev time put into optimization than your typical software, I don't see that as an issue really. Most home computer software is still single-threaded, so it makes sense a single core would need to be more powerful in that scenario. Although, I guess maybe my argument is moot since your average home PC CPU is going to have at least 4, probably more, cores...

phatfish 4y ago

"Part 2" is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ujhGmSImQg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ujhGmSImQg

mensetmanusman 4y ago

I can’t wait for the Galaxy Note 7 mod on GTA6… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_GhODn4FRoE https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_GhODn4FRoE

beej71 4y ago

Though I haven't been in the industry for 15+ years, I think this video gives you an excellent idea of the day-to-day life of a game developer.

kybernetyk 4y ago

I'll only play it when you can enter any building. This was a bummer in GTA V online mode. Only a few buildings were open.

midislack 4y ago

Kyle, the Kenosha Kid, is set to be a villain in this installation! Take THAT lol.

colinthompson 4y ago

Please don’t click these links or share these videos. As a member of the film/animation industry, hearing about leaks like this absolutely hits me. Please think of the hundreds of artists and programmers who have worked countless hours on this game. They are all heartbroken right now. We can all honor their hard work by not watching this leaked content. Wait til they finish.

yieldcrv 4y ago
what, can you elaborate more on why we should: 1) empathize 2) in that specific way this is a far cry from my initial thought of “don't tell me what to do” so I’m really curious if you can articulate in a way more of us can relate to
- colinthompson 4y ago
  First and foremost- this content was stolen. You haven’t paid for it. If you saw a stolen car left on the side of the road, would to take it for a joyride? Secondly, do you think watching these these videos is making anyone at rockstar fired up? Do you think they like this? I believe that almost all of them are deeply saddened by this. Should we celebrate and respect people’s work by making them feel awful? Lastly I’m not telling anyone what to do. I’m just merely pointing out that this content is not soul-less. It’s built on the backs of people who did not willingly share this material. I think it’s awesome if people are curious, but I think to is incredible disrespectful to execute that curiosity by forcefully stealing something.
  - yieldcrv 4y ago
    The semantics are more important to me, and it affects my thoughts on your analogies too. Stealing requires moving something from its original place, like the car. This was copied. It is copyright infringement, at best, and an issue for the person copying for others consumption, not the consumer. Its not the consumers responsibility to know who has a license to avoid infringing a copyright, and it isn't their liability to view. Elaborate marketing stunt or actual leak? Not my responsibility to care. But let me know if you come up with a more applicable analogy, I’m fine with analogies comparing dissimilar things that share something in common, I think this one dilutes your point here and fails at providing any introspective possibility. I can relate to the idea that someone wanted a grand reveal, I don't have the same feelings as you about them being deprived of that goal. I think there would be plenty of artists in the organization that are annoyed at the direction of the development choices and are elated that the public can criticize it now.

drummer 4y ago

Why is this not on hn front page? This is the bigger than the second coming of christ

wan_ala 4y ago

This article is claiming that Jason Schrier believes its real. https://www.sportskeeda.com/gta/news-renowned-leaker-jason-schreier-believes-gta-6-leak-might-real https://www.sportskeeda.com/gta/news-renowned-leaker-jason-s... Edit: forgot to include article

mindcrash 4y ago

It's already gone. And Rockstar is DMCA'ing these videos faster than you can say "GTA 6", by the way.

Technetium 4y ago

This has been removed from YT, does someone have a mirror?

mattymf 4y ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/GTA/comments/xhkc8o/gta_6_a_sorted_list_of_the_90_videos_allegedly/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GTA/comments/xhkc8o/gta_6_a_sorted_...

samjanis 4y ago

Video taken down. Got a lot of attention when it was up.

mattymf 4y ago

Here are some of the leaked videos: Night club: https://streamable.com/6g87e8 https://streamable.com/6g87e8 Gun fight debugging(?) session: https://streamable.com/3zw3ed https://streamable.com/3zw3ed Vice City Metro: https://streamable.com/rx0hed https://streamable.com/rx0hed Truck parkour: https://streamable.com/70mre0 https://streamable.com/70mre0 Dev adjustments: https://streamable.com/kbp778 https://streamable.com/kbp778