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It isn’t indentured servitude, but it cannot be distinguished from indentured servitude by the willful nature according to which the contract is entered, becaus

by ckw 4y ago

It isn’t indentured servitude, but it cannot be distinguished from indentured servitude by the willful nature according to which the contract is entered, because indentured servants entered willfully into their contracts as well.

scarface74 4y ago
Are you claiming that every single Uber driver would rather be doing something else than driving for Uber?
- ckw 4y ago
  I am correcting your misapprehension that the parent is equating gig work with indentured servitude. They are not. And I am reiterating the point the parent makes regarding the error both the grandparent and you make, in inferring from the willful entrance into a contract the non-exploitative nature of that contract and its execution. To repeat: indentured servants entered willfully into their contracts, yet those contracts were manifestly exploitative. Hence the willful nature of one’s entrance into a contract says nothing about whether it is exploitative in character or execution.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    In that case does every company who employs people who would rather be doing another job, but don’t have a choice “exploitive”?
    - ckw 4y ago
      No. In a country like Denmark, even low status jobs like fast food pay a living wage (~$22/hr), provide a pension, 6 weeks paid vacation, etc. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mcdonalds-workers-denmark/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mcdonalds-workers-denmark/
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Denmark also has the highest tax burden. http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-12/05/c_139564341.htm http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-12/05/c_139564341.htm https://destinationscanner.com/average-salary-in-denmark/ https://destinationscanner.com/average-salary-in-denmark/ The average person in Denmark takes home much less than the average American while the average gross is neck and neck between both. https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php
        ckw 4y ago
        It’s almost as if, were we to decide collectively that everyone who works should enjoy a decent living, it could be so.

by ckw 4y ago

scarface74 4y ago

Are you claiming that every single Uber driver would rather be doing something else than driving for Uber?

ckw 4y ago
I am correcting your misapprehension that the parent is equating gig work with indentured servitude. They are not. And I am reiterating the point the parent makes regarding the error both the grandparent and you make, in inferring from the willful entrance into a contract the non-exploitative nature of that contract and its execution. To repeat: indentured servants entered willfully into their contracts, yet those contracts were manifestly exploitative. Hence the willful nature of one’s entrance into a contract says nothing about whether it is exploitative in character or execution.
- scarface74 4y ago
  In that case does every company who employs people who would rather be doing another job, but don’t have a choice “exploitive”?
  - ckw 4y ago
    No. In a country like Denmark, even low status jobs like fast food pay a living wage (~$22/hr), provide a pension, 6 weeks paid vacation, etc. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mcdonalds-workers-denmark/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mcdonalds-workers-denmark/
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Denmark also has the highest tax burden. http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-12/05/c_139564341.htm http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-12/05/c_139564341.htm https://destinationscanner.com/average-salary-in-denmark/ https://destinationscanner.com/average-salary-in-denmark/ The average person in Denmark takes home much less than the average American while the average gross is neck and neck between both. https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php
      - ckw 4y ago
        It’s almost as if, were we to decide collectively that everyone who works should enjoy a decent living, it could be so.