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This whole framing is bull. People who grew up without closed captions are just used to watching a show without it. For them, it’s distracting to constantly hav

This whole framing is bull. People who grew up without closed captions are just used to watching a show without it. For them, it’s distracting to constantly have words to look down and read when they are trying to pay attention to what is happening on the screen. Like trying to read the words on every single road sign when you drive somewhere. You may notice that in movie theaters—the most focused and immersive watching experience there is—they don’t show captions except maybe when translating foreign language. Or you may not, if you only watch movies at home on your TV.

willis936 4y ago
I'm closer to 20 than 60. I did not grow up with CCs. I use them because they are an option and give me something I want. If there is bullshit framing then it is the very notion of assumptions based on age, which is caked into the headline.
- snowwrestler 4y ago
  The bullshit framing is that there is any correlation between having CC on, and how closely the viewer is paying attention to the show or movie. There is not, as evidenced by a century of cinema and TV. Movies originally had captions, because there was no dialogue track. As soon as they figured out synchronized sound, the captions went away. Even if people were paying very close attention.
ordu 4y ago
> You may notice that in movie theaters—the most focused and immersive watching experience there is Movie theaters have the same influence on a mind as any other experience of collective attention. It keeps your attention aligned with attention of a crowd. It may be a case of herd behavior, or it may be something special, I dont know, but it works. I believe that this collective attention is the main reason why movie threaters are still profitable. But not just it: surroundings associated with attention on a screen and all these rituals, like eating pop corn, also do their part as stimuli leading to a learned response. You get highly focused attention without any conscious effort. You need conscious to fight it and to divert attention from a screen. But it doesn't matter when you try to watch a movie or a lecture at home. Despite of all your experience of collective attention it would be much harder to keep your attention focused.
knorker 4y ago
No, that's not it. I grew up with literally everything in English being subtitled. Always hated it, but all I can do is make an effort to not have my eyes there. Even some DVDs did not have the option to turn off subtitles. I never had subtitles on for anything that gave me the option. (I even bought DVDs from overseas occasionally to not get subtitles) But now every other show is frequently incomprehensible. Either they've put lead in the drinking water, making us all not understand the spoken word, or they've made dialog audio shit.
d3ckard 4y ago
> You may notice that in movie theaters—the most focused and immersive watching experience there is—they don’t show captions except maybe when translating foreign language. Well, it just tells you come from the English speaking country. For the rest of us, subtitles in a movie theatre are among most normal things in the world.
- snowwrestler 4y ago
  I bet they don’t show subtitles when the film is in your native language.
  - d3ckard 4y ago
    You’re right - except I don’t think there are many countries where national movie industry can seriously compete with international (predominantly American). Therefore, subtitles are a standard for your movie going experience.

willis936 4y ago

I'm closer to 20 than 60. I did not grow up with CCs. I use them because they are an option and give me something I want. If there is bullshit framing then it is the very notion of assumptions based on age, which is caked into the headline.

snowwrestler 4y ago
The bullshit framing is that there is any correlation between having CC on, and how closely the viewer is paying attention to the show or movie. There is not, as evidenced by a century of cinema and TV. Movies originally had captions, because there was no dialogue track. As soon as they figured out synchronized sound, the captions went away. Even if people were paying very close attention.

ordu 4y ago

> You may notice that in movie theaters—the most focused and immersive watching experience there is Movie theaters have the same influence on a mind as any other experience of collective attention. It keeps your attention aligned with attention of a crowd. It may be a case of herd behavior, or it may be something special, I dont know, but it works. I believe that this collective attention is the main reason why movie threaters are still profitable. But not just it: surroundings associated with attention on a screen and all these rituals, like eating pop corn, also do their part as stimuli leading to a learned response. You get highly focused attention without any conscious effort. You need conscious to fight it and to divert attention from a screen. But it doesn't matter when you try to watch a movie or a lecture at home. Despite of all your experience of collective attention it would be much harder to keep your attention focused.

knorker 4y ago

No, that's not it. I grew up with literally everything in English being subtitled. Always hated it, but all I can do is make an effort to not have my eyes there. Even some DVDs did not have the option to turn off subtitles. I never had subtitles on for anything that gave me the option. (I even bought DVDs from overseas occasionally to not get subtitles) But now every other show is frequently incomprehensible. Either they've put lead in the drinking water, making us all not understand the spoken word, or they've made dialog audio shit.

d3ckard 4y ago

> You may notice that in movie theaters—the most focused and immersive watching experience there is—they don’t show captions except maybe when translating foreign language. Well, it just tells you come from the English speaking country. For the rest of us, subtitles in a movie theatre are among most normal things in the world.

snowwrestler 4y ago
I bet they don’t show subtitles when the film is in your native language.
- d3ckard 4y ago
  You’re right - except I don’t think there are many countries where national movie industry can seriously compete with international (predominantly American). Therefore, subtitles are a standard for your movie going experience.