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Every way to secure green energy requires some use of dirty energy. So the only choice is between dirty forever, and dirty decreasing. If the latter, the faste

by ncmncm 4y ago

Every way to secure green energy requires some use of dirty energy. So the only choice is between dirty forever, and dirty decreasing. If the latter, the faster it decreases, the less dirty energy you use on the transition.

01100011 4y ago
Dirty forever isn't an option. Dirty is not renewable. We could decrease dirty energy usage to 0% right now. People would starve, quality of life would plummet, and we could direct our available green energy(hydro, nuclear, wind, solar, tidal, etc) to building out more green tech. Is that what you're advocating? I don't think so. So let us talk like engineers who need to make trade-offs to best achieve our goals. Cutting off dirty energy too soon hampers our green transition while needlessly killing people and lowering quality of life for those who don't starve or freeze to death.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  You very, very evidently did not read what you replied to. That appears to be a pattern. You could learn just by paying attention to what people took time out to explain to you. Go ahead, I can wait.
  - 01100011 4y ago
    > You very, very evidently did not read what you replied to. Strangely enough, I feel like saying the same thing here. I don't think our viewpoints are that far off. Unless you had a problem parsing my language in the last post, you might have seen that I wasn't strongly disagreeing with you. It appears to have triggered you emotionally however so I suppose this discussion has reached its endpoint.
    - ncmncm 4y ago
      Your worry appears to be that the trillions of tons of fossil fuels still being mined under continued massive government subsidy will prove insufficient to fuel construction of the renewable-energy generation equipment we need. Nobody else is worried about this, for reasons. The much bigger problem is continued massive government subsidy of this mining, which thereby suppresses energy prices and sabotages access to capital to build out that equipment, and the factories to produce it, diverts cash flow to those mining and refining the materials, and accelerates climate disaster.

by ncmncm 4y ago

01100011 4y ago

Dirty forever isn't an option. Dirty is not renewable. We could decrease dirty energy usage to 0% right now. People would starve, quality of life would plummet, and we could direct our available green energy(hydro, nuclear, wind, solar, tidal, etc) to building out more green tech. Is that what you're advocating? I don't think so. So let us talk like engineers who need to make trade-offs to best achieve our goals. Cutting off dirty energy too soon hampers our green transition while needlessly killing people and lowering quality of life for those who don't starve or freeze to death.

ncmncm 4y ago
You very, very evidently did not read what you replied to. That appears to be a pattern. You could learn just by paying attention to what people took time out to explain to you. Go ahead, I can wait.
- 01100011 4y ago
  > You very, very evidently did not read what you replied to. Strangely enough, I feel like saying the same thing here. I don't think our viewpoints are that far off. Unless you had a problem parsing my language in the last post, you might have seen that I wasn't strongly disagreeing with you. It appears to have triggered you emotionally however so I suppose this discussion has reached its endpoint.
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    Your worry appears to be that the trillions of tons of fossil fuels still being mined under continued massive government subsidy will prove insufficient to fuel construction of the renewable-energy generation equipment we need. Nobody else is worried about this, for reasons. The much bigger problem is continued massive government subsidy of this mining, which thereby suppresses energy prices and sabotages access to capital to build out that equipment, and the factories to produce it, diverts cash flow to those mining and refining the materials, and accelerates climate disaster.