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This comment genuinely makes no sense to me. If you are going to leverage extremely strong analogies, like indentured servitude, then you need to justify that.

This comment genuinely makes no sense to me. If you are going to leverage extremely strong analogies, like indentured servitude, then you need to justify that. It seems like you are disappointed by any conversation that doesn't mix up idealism with what's realistic, and what is going on. A request for explanation almost by definition cannot be a strawman. Just because you disagree with the context of that question does not justify such a shallow, emotional response.

dpkirchner 4y ago
> A request for explanation almost by definition cannot be a strawman. It can when the request isn't really a request but an assertion taken to an absurd extreme that merely resembles a question. cf Tucker Carlson "just asking questions".
- DiggyJohnson 4y ago
  You’re the one asserting extremes. I simply see no other way of interpreting this discussion. Have a good one.
ckw 4y ago
The point is that indentured servants also willingly enter their contract. So if that is the standard—- that one who willingly accepts a duty is incapable of being exploited, then neither are indentured servants. In fact, according to that standard slavery is arguably not exploitation either, so long as the slave initially consents. But most people would find this absurd: slavery is the prototypical example of exploitation.
- DiggyJohnson 4y ago
  But the original comment wasn’t asserting anything like this, it’s asking for the aspects of gig economy jobs that make it coercive or exploitative in light of the consent of its workers. The onus is on the person connecting that to indentured servitude to explain why that connection is apt. Otherwise it’s a useless connection.
  - ckw 4y ago
    The link has many examples. Gig companies must not be deceptive in their claims to prospective gig workers about potential earnings, and they must be transparent and truthful about costs borne by workers. The FTC will investigate evidence of agreements between gig companies to illegally fix wages, benefits, or fees for gig workers that should be open to competition. The FTC will also investigate exclusionary or predatory conduct that could cause harm to customers or reduced compensation or poorer working conditions for gig workers.

dpkirchner 4y ago

> A request for explanation almost by definition cannot be a strawman. It can when the request isn't really a request but an assertion taken to an absurd extreme that merely resembles a question. cf Tucker Carlson "just asking questions".

DiggyJohnson 4y ago
You’re the one asserting extremes. I simply see no other way of interpreting this discussion. Have a good one.

ckw 4y ago

The point is that indentured servants also willingly enter their contract. So if that is the standard—- that one who willingly accepts a duty is incapable of being exploited, then neither are indentured servants. In fact, according to that standard slavery is arguably not exploitation either, so long as the slave initially consents. But most people would find this absurd: slavery is the prototypical example of exploitation.

DiggyJohnson 4y ago
But the original comment wasn’t asserting anything like this, it’s asking for the aspects of gig economy jobs that make it coercive or exploitative in light of the consent of its workers. The onus is on the person connecting that to indentured servitude to explain why that connection is apt. Otherwise it’s a useless connection.
- ckw 4y ago
  The link has many examples. Gig companies must not be deceptive in their claims to prospective gig workers about potential earnings, and they must be transparent and truthful about costs borne by workers. The FTC will investigate evidence of agreements between gig companies to illegally fix wages, benefits, or fees for gig workers that should be open to competition. The FTC will also investigate exclusionary or predatory conduct that could cause harm to customers or reduced compensation or poorer working conditions for gig workers.