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This is a false dichotomy, do not perpetuate this myth when dozens of other countries provide socialized healthcare that beats American healthcare across practi

This is a false dichotomy, do not perpetuate this myth when dozens of other countries provide socialized healthcare that beats American healthcare across practically every metric. We can have a objective discussion about the merits of socialized healthcare without you injecting logical fallacies to be inflammatory.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> when dozens of other countries provide socialized healthcare that beats American healthcare across practically every metric Plenty of counties also provide market healthcare with private insurance without the American issues, e.g. Switzerland [1]. If we want to keep a market-based model, there are reforms that point the way forward. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland
awofford 4y ago
Lots of countries in South America also have socialized healthcare and it’s terrible. The question is, “Is America’s competency with government programs more similar to South America or Europe?”
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > Lots of countries in South America also have socialized healthcare and it’s terrible. Lots of countries in South America have a lot more problems than healthcare. Maybe consider their per capita GDP or something to offset that fact. Even with that, Costa Ricans, Chileans, Cubans, Panamanians, Uruguayans and Colombians have longer life expectancies than the US, which manages to be 54th in the world while spending about as much tax money per capita as any other country does on healthcare.
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abigail95 4y ago
It's not easier make it work on a bigger scale. If you can't make the VA model work in America, that's good evidence that a bigger model would suffer the same, but bigger problems.
- Bilal_io 4y ago
  Universal healthcare will render the VA healthcare redundant. A soldier will have access to healthcare before deployment and after deployment, whether they got fucked up in a horrible situation or came back safe. I'll add: it feels like the veterans are begging the VA when they should have that basic human right by default.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > It's not easier make it work on a bigger scale. Ah, so that's why wholesale prices are so much higher than retail. Diseconomies of scale. And if you can't make it work in America, the country with the most screwed up and corrupt healthcare in the world[*], how could you expect to make it work anywhere? ----- [*] It's a big claim, but I don't know how else you refer to a country that spends twice as much on healthcare per capita than any other country, but comes in 54th for life expectancy, while being the main cause of bankruptcies.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> when dozens of other countries provide socialized healthcare that beats American healthcare across practically every metric Plenty of counties also provide market healthcare with private insurance without the American issues, e.g. Switzerland [1]. If we want to keep a market-based model, there are reforms that point the way forward. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland

awofford 4y ago

Lots of countries in South America also have socialized healthcare and it’s terrible. The question is, “Is America’s competency with government programs more similar to South America or Europe?”

pessimizer 4y ago
> Lots of countries in South America also have socialized healthcare and it’s terrible. Lots of countries in South America have a lot more problems than healthcare. Maybe consider their per capita GDP or something to offset that fact. Even with that, Costa Ricans, Chileans, Cubans, Panamanians, Uruguayans and Colombians have longer life expectancies than the US, which manages to be 54th in the world while spending about as much tax money per capita as any other country does on healthcare.

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abigail95 4y ago

It's not easier make it work on a bigger scale. If you can't make the VA model work in America, that's good evidence that a bigger model would suffer the same, but bigger problems.

Bilal_io 4y ago
Universal healthcare will render the VA healthcare redundant. A soldier will have access to healthcare before deployment and after deployment, whether they got fucked up in a horrible situation or came back safe. I'll add: it feels like the veterans are begging the VA when they should have that basic human right by default.
pessimizer 4y ago
> It's not easier make it work on a bigger scale. Ah, so that's why wholesale prices are so much higher than retail. Diseconomies of scale. And if you can't make it work in America, the country with the most screwed up and corrupt healthcare in the world[*], how could you expect to make it work anywhere? ----- [*] It's a big claim, but I don't know how else you refer to a country that spends twice as much on healthcare per capita than any other country, but comes in 54th for life expectancy, while being the main cause of bankruptcies.