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Yet Reddit, that follows this model, still manages to engage in suppression of on-topic viewpoints that moderators and/or Reddit employees disagree with.

by efitz 4y ago

themitigating 4y ago
What evidence do you have of reddit employees censoring information they disagree with?
- navigate8310 4y ago
  Obligatory: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/5ektpc/rthe_donald_accuses_the_admins_of_editing_t_ds/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/5ektpc/rthe...
  - themitigating 4y ago
    This says an admin was accused of editing posts, it doesn't provide proof. It then says users down voted him not employees of reddit. Also subbit reddit admins aren't employees , I believe most people can create a subreddit and be an admin
    - richbell 4y ago
      > This says an admin was accused of editing posts, it doesn't provide proof. It then says users down voted him not employees of reddit. SubredditDrama is a meta-subreddit. They linked to the post by Spez where he admitted to editing the comment — unfortunately, it's no longer available due to Reddit banning r/the_donald, but you can find numerous news articles that include his original comment. E.g., https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-38088712 https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-38088712 > Also subbit reddit admins aren't employees , I believe most people can create a subreddit and be an admin In Reddit terminology those are moderators. Administrators are site-wide and employed by Reddit.
    - Jensson 4y ago
      He admitted it himself that he did it: https://old.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_by_editing_some_comments_and_creating_an/ https://old.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_...
      - themitigating 4y ago
        That's one person in a large company the original comment claimed it was multiple employees and a policy of the company
        Jensson 4y ago
        That's the founder and CEO at the time, he created the reddit culture and he did the worst thing you can do in that situation: silently editing the posts of people you disagree with. Nobody said that post was proof that lots of admins do this, but it is proof that Reddits leadership is rotten to the core. If the CEO is fine with editing others speech to make it look like they said things they didn't, then obviously he is also fine with unfairly banning people or communities he disagrees with since that is a much lesser evil.
- uwuemu 4y ago
  One look at r/worldnews or r/news? Those are not even some obscure subreddits. It's a community ruled by progressives, posted into by progressives and mostly read by progressives. The content reflects that. This has been achieved by years of content filtering and banning of any centrist or right wing views. It's the definition of an echo chamber. Or another of the main subreddits, r/video, just recently I'm watching a post where a guy describes some valve or whatever and his little kid comes in yadda yadda cute video of dad with his daughter. In the comments it's all about how the guy said something about supporting truckers or whatever and how terrible that was. Yep. Meanwhile the video has basically no dislikes on Youtube..But by reading the r/video thread you'd think it's unpopular and the guy is a nazi or something. No. It's just that Reddit is a manufactured community of left wingers. Btw try to talk about how "trans women are not women" and refer to transitioning people by their pre-transition name (because you don't recognize their transition or it is against your religion), which is absolutely a political/religious statement and 100% a point of view, see how long your account lasts :)
  - TMWNN 4y ago
    >It's just that Reddit is a manufactured community of left wingers. After US election day 2016, it was actually possible for about a day to post non-leftist posts and comments to /r/politics without them being instantly downvoted or removed for being "off topic", because the mods hadn't received new marching orders. It was quite a change, albeit temporary.
tootie 4y ago
Probably because mods are unpaid and not employees.
- supernovae 4y ago
  And reddit was a massive experiment in far right takeover. It went from hosting the rally for reason to electing Donald trump at lightning speed. Not because of the overall community, but because of business actions, manufactured turmoil, and well funded trolling.
  - bqmjjx0kac 4y ago
    I'm surprised to see this being downvoted. It was shocking to see how large /r/TheDonald was around the 2016 election. Now, whether they were real, voting US citizens is a valid question.
    - threeseed 4y ago
      You still see on subreddits like /r/wayofthebern and /r/conspiracy accounts which are posting full-time (i.e. dozens of posts and comments a day) with pro-Russia, pro-China, anti-US content.
- leereeves 4y ago
  The admins, who are paid employees, also engage in similar suppression by banning subreddits they dislike. Proof? Read about how reddit suppressed dissent during the pandemic. I'm not going to post any particular link because the topic is too political and every source (left and right) spins things in some way that I dislike. The facts, without spin, are these: reddit banned and/or quarantined many anti-lockdown subs. Initially, they said they would not, because "Dissent is a part of Reddit and the foundation of democracy", but ultimately, they did.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    Proof? You should cite sources instead of saying the equivalent of "do your own research "
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asdfasgasdgasdg 4y ago
Reddit banned /r/TheDonald, which would have certainly run afoul of this law. You may respond that there were policy based reasons for doing so (brigading, harassment, etc.) and you'd be right. But that's true of moderation decisions made by Facebook and Twitter too, or at least they would say so. In fact that ban was far more egregious than any of the moderation decisions that are being targeted by this law at the big platforms.
- richbell 4y ago
  Prior to banning /r/The_Donald, Reddit created /r/popular as a default alternative to /r/all to prevent posts from /r/The_Donald from making it to the front page. Interestingly, they didn't ban any of the other obnoxious political subreddits that people were complaining about. https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5u9pl5/introducing_rpopular/ddtkylq https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5u9pl5/intro... (Not a Trump fan or even right-leaning, just pointing out that Reddit administrators went to great lengths to suppress a subreddit they disliked long before banning it.)
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 4y ago
    Yeah I mean I think it is and should be within their rights. /r/TheDonald was not merely expressing a political viewpoint. It was doing a lot of other stuff. But the proponents of this law would view banning it was a violation.
- starik36 4y ago
  > reasons for doing so (brigading, harassment, etc.) This happens on Reddit all day along with pretty much every political sub on the platform. But they chose to only ban /r/TheDonald. Reddit had a policy for banning accounts that were calling for violence. Yet during the 2020 riots they conveniently dropped this rule. This smells of massive hipocracy.

Yet Reddit, that follows this model, still manages to engage in suppression of on-topic viewpoints that moderators and/or Reddit employees disagree with.

by efitz 4y ago

Yet Reddit, that follows this model, still manages to engage in suppression of on-topic viewpoints that moderators and/or Reddit employees disagree with.

themitigating 4y ago

What evidence do you have of reddit employees censoring information they disagree with?

navigate8310 4y ago
Obligatory: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/5ektpc/rthe_donald_accuses_the_admins_of_editing_t_ds/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/5ektpc/rthe...
- themitigating 4y ago
  This says an admin was accused of editing posts, it doesn't provide proof. It then says users down voted him not employees of reddit. Also subbit reddit admins aren't employees , I believe most people can create a subreddit and be an admin
  - richbell 4y ago
    > This says an admin was accused of editing posts, it doesn't provide proof. It then says users down voted him not employees of reddit. SubredditDrama is a meta-subreddit. They linked to the post by Spez where he admitted to editing the comment — unfortunately, it's no longer available due to Reddit banning r/the_donald, but you can find numerous news articles that include his original comment. E.g., https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-38088712 https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-38088712 > Also subbit reddit admins aren't employees , I believe most people can create a subreddit and be an admin In Reddit terminology those are moderators. Administrators are site-wide and employed by Reddit.
  - Jensson 4y ago
    He admitted it himself that he did it: https://old.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_by_editing_some_comments_and_creating_an/ https://old.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_...
    - themitigating 4y ago
      That's one person in a large company the original comment claimed it was multiple employees and a policy of the company
      - Jensson 4y ago
        That's the founder and CEO at the time, he created the reddit culture and he did the worst thing you can do in that situation: silently editing the posts of people you disagree with. Nobody said that post was proof that lots of admins do this, but it is proof that Reddits leadership is rotten to the core. If the CEO is fine with editing others speech to make it look like they said things they didn't, then obviously he is also fine with unfairly banning people or communities he disagrees with since that is a much lesser evil.
uwuemu 4y ago
One look at r/worldnews or r/news? Those are not even some obscure subreddits. It's a community ruled by progressives, posted into by progressives and mostly read by progressives. The content reflects that. This has been achieved by years of content filtering and banning of any centrist or right wing views. It's the definition of an echo chamber. Or another of the main subreddits, r/video, just recently I'm watching a post where a guy describes some valve or whatever and his little kid comes in yadda yadda cute video of dad with his daughter. In the comments it's all about how the guy said something about supporting truckers or whatever and how terrible that was. Yep. Meanwhile the video has basically no dislikes on Youtube..But by reading the r/video thread you'd think it's unpopular and the guy is a nazi or something. No. It's just that Reddit is a manufactured community of left wingers. Btw try to talk about how "trans women are not women" and refer to transitioning people by their pre-transition name (because you don't recognize their transition or it is against your religion), which is absolutely a political/religious statement and 100% a point of view, see how long your account lasts :)
- TMWNN 4y ago
  >It's just that Reddit is a manufactured community of left wingers. After US election day 2016, it was actually possible for about a day to post non-leftist posts and comments to /r/politics without them being instantly downvoted or removed for being "off topic", because the mods hadn't received new marching orders. It was quite a change, albeit temporary.

tootie 4y ago

Probably because mods are unpaid and not employees.

supernovae 4y ago
And reddit was a massive experiment in far right takeover. It went from hosting the rally for reason to electing Donald trump at lightning speed. Not because of the overall community, but because of business actions, manufactured turmoil, and well funded trolling.
- bqmjjx0kac 4y ago
  I'm surprised to see this being downvoted. It was shocking to see how large /r/TheDonald was around the 2016 election. Now, whether they were real, voting US citizens is a valid question.
  - threeseed 4y ago
    You still see on subreddits like /r/wayofthebern and /r/conspiracy accounts which are posting full-time (i.e. dozens of posts and comments a day) with pro-Russia, pro-China, anti-US content.
leereeves 4y ago
The admins, who are paid employees, also engage in similar suppression by banning subreddits they dislike. Proof? Read about how reddit suppressed dissent during the pandemic. I'm not going to post any particular link because the topic is too political and every source (left and right) spins things in some way that I dislike. The facts, without spin, are these: reddit banned and/or quarantined many anti-lockdown subs. Initially, they said they would not, because "Dissent is a part of Reddit and the foundation of democracy", but ultimately, they did.
- themitigating 4y ago
  Proof? You should cite sources instead of saying the equivalent of "do your own research "

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asdfasgasdgasdg 4y ago

Reddit banned /r/TheDonald, which would have certainly run afoul of this law. You may respond that there were policy based reasons for doing so (brigading, harassment, etc.) and you'd be right. But that's true of moderation decisions made by Facebook and Twitter too, or at least they would say so. In fact that ban was far more egregious than any of the moderation decisions that are being targeted by this law at the big platforms.

richbell 4y ago
Prior to banning /r/The_Donald, Reddit created /r/popular as a default alternative to /r/all to prevent posts from /r/The_Donald from making it to the front page. Interestingly, they didn't ban any of the other obnoxious political subreddits that people were complaining about. https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5u9pl5/introducing_rpopular/ddtkylq https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5u9pl5/intro... (Not a Trump fan or even right-leaning, just pointing out that Reddit administrators went to great lengths to suppress a subreddit they disliked long before banning it.)
- asdfasgasdgasdg 4y ago
  Yeah I mean I think it is and should be within their rights. /r/TheDonald was not merely expressing a political viewpoint. It was doing a lot of other stuff. But the proponents of this law would view banning it was a violation.
starik36 4y ago
> reasons for doing so (brigading, harassment, etc.) This happens on Reddit all day along with pretty much every political sub on the platform. But they chose to only ban /r/TheDonald. Reddit had a policy for banning accounts that were calling for violence. Yet during the 2020 riots they conveniently dropped this rule. This smells of massive hipocracy.