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Everyone can have care like the VA!

dehrmann 4y ago
Realistically, yes. Best case, it looks like Kiaser. They're private, but they're both the insurer and provider, and they compete in the market. Realistically, it looks more like the post office or the DMV.
- shakezula 4y ago
  Having received healthcare services in countries with socialized healthcare, no it doesn’t look like that at all.
  - dehrmann 4y ago
    Have you ever going through airport customs in Europe and compared it to the US? Sure, other places can do these things well, but the US doesn't have a track record of competent government services.
    - d4mi3n 4y ago
      I hear USPS worked phenomenally well until it became a political target. I think the issue is less that we can’t and more that we won’t support or improve these systems for ideological reasons.
      - abigail95 4y ago
        USPS is a sanctioned monopoly with a USO. It's illegal to compete with it. It's like saying AT&T "worked". Sure you could buy a phone service and pay $$$$ for it, but if I had a better way of running it, they would put me in jail for trying.
        sudosysgen 4y ago
        The monopoly is only over mail and is scarcely enforced nowadays. And yet USPS is still cheaper and better on parcels where it doesn't have a monopoly, so much so that private parcel delivery will often just use USPS.
shakezula 4y ago
This is a false dichotomy, do not perpetuate this myth when dozens of other countries provide socialized healthcare that beats American healthcare across practically every metric. We can have a objective discussion about the merits of socialized healthcare without you injecting logical fallacies to be inflammatory.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > when dozens of other countries provide socialized healthcare that beats American healthcare across practically every metric Plenty of counties also provide market healthcare with private insurance without the American issues, e.g. Switzerland [1]. If we want to keep a market-based model, there are reforms that point the way forward. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland
- awofford 4y ago
  Lots of countries in South America also have socialized healthcare and it’s terrible. The question is, “Is America’s competency with government programs more similar to South America or Europe?”
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    > Lots of countries in South America also have socialized healthcare and it’s terrible. Lots of countries in South America have a lot more problems than healthcare. Maybe consider their per capita GDP or something to offset that fact. Even with that, Costa Ricans, Chileans, Cubans, Panamanians, Uruguayans and Colombians have longer life expectancies than the US, which manages to be 54th in the world while spending about as much tax money per capita as any other country does on healthcare.
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- abigail95 4y ago
  It's not easier make it work on a bigger scale. If you can't make the VA model work in America, that's good evidence that a bigger model would suffer the same, but bigger problems.

Realistically, yes. Best case, it looks like Kiaser. They're private, but they're both the insurer and provider, and they compete in the market. Realistically, it looks more like the post office or the DMV.

shakezula 4y ago
Having received healthcare services in countries with socialized healthcare, no it doesn’t look like that at all.
- dehrmann 4y ago
  Have you ever going through airport customs in Europe and compared it to the US? Sure, other places can do these things well, but the US doesn't have a track record of competent government services.
  - d4mi3n 4y ago
    I hear USPS worked phenomenally well until it became a political target. I think the issue is less that we can’t and more that we won’t support or improve these systems for ideological reasons.
    - abigail95 4y ago
      USPS is a sanctioned monopoly with a USO. It's illegal to compete with it. It's like saying AT&T "worked". Sure you could buy a phone service and pay $$$$ for it, but if I had a better way of running it, they would put me in jail for trying.
      - sudosysgen 4y ago
        The monopoly is only over mail and is scarcely enforced nowadays. And yet USPS is still cheaper and better on parcels where it doesn't have a monopoly, so much so that private parcel delivery will often just use USPS.

shakezula 4y ago

This is a false dichotomy, do not perpetuate this myth when dozens of other countries provide socialized healthcare that beats American healthcare across practically every metric. We can have a objective discussion about the merits of socialized healthcare without you injecting logical fallacies to be inflammatory.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> when dozens of other countries provide socialized healthcare that beats American healthcare across practically every metric Plenty of counties also provide market healthcare with private insurance without the American issues, e.g. Switzerland [1]. If we want to keep a market-based model, there are reforms that point the way forward. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland
awofford 4y ago
Lots of countries in South America also have socialized healthcare and it’s terrible. The question is, “Is America’s competency with government programs more similar to South America or Europe?”
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > Lots of countries in South America also have socialized healthcare and it’s terrible. Lots of countries in South America have a lot more problems than healthcare. Maybe consider their per capita GDP or something to offset that fact. Even with that, Costa Ricans, Chileans, Cubans, Panamanians, Uruguayans and Colombians have longer life expectancies than the US, which manages to be 54th in the world while spending about as much tax money per capita as any other country does on healthcare.
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abigail95 4y ago
It's not easier make it work on a bigger scale. If you can't make the VA model work in America, that's good evidence that a bigger model would suffer the same, but bigger problems.