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Welcome to Your Airbnb, the Cleaning Fees Are $143 and You’ll Still Have

55 points by chewz 4y ago

metadat 4y ago
https://archive.ph/quobm https://archive.ph/quobm
julianlam 4y ago
> Last month, Amanda Morari spent her sister’s bachelorette weekend at a lakefront cottage in Ontario province. As a Canadian it felt a little weird seeing "province" tacked on to the end of Ontario (and Quebec, earlier on in the article). Is this an Americanism, and why? I get that there is Washington State and Washington, DC, but there's only one Texas, one Connecticut, one North Dakota... No Canadian I know calls it Ontario province or Yukon territory (though I suppose the NWT is the lone exception.)
- stemlord 4y ago
  Probably just ignorance, I never hear Americans calling American regions provinces
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > never hear Americans calling American regions provinces We don’t have provinces [1], but semi-sovereign states. “Ontario province” is roughly analogous to the “state of Georgia.” [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province
- CPLX 4y ago
  Ontario is also the name of a smallish but reasonably well known American city which might be relevant.
  - dsr_ 4y ago
    Even worse, it's ontario.ca.us, as opposed to the much bigger ontario.ca. (ontario.ca.us is not registered, but that's what it would be if it were.)
- rts_cts 4y ago
  I'm used to hearing Province of X but X province just sounds weird. Province of Alberta sounds right but Saskatchewan Province is just odd.
- rchaud 4y ago
  This the WSJ, which is not Canadian. There are several American towns named Ontario, which the writer may have been trying to differentiate from.
- kareemsabri 4y ago
  Most Americans don't know what Ontario is, I bet.
- dixie_land 4y ago
  Isn't it pretty much the same as your example of Washington? you know, to differentiate it from Ontario, CA, where all your UPS packages go missing or get stuck in "processing"
SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago
This is lamenting about the chore requirements some Airbnb’s instill, which I haven’t seen as much, but a recent discovery I made that is helpful to get around the other annoyance (ridiculous cleaning fees) hinted at in the article: in NL it’s illegal to unbundle price and cleaning fees, so if you browse with a Dutch VPN you get a map with both price and cleaning included, unlike in the States: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32780998#32786503 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32780998#32786503
- arsenide 4y ago
  Alternatively, you can use Airbnb.com.au to get total prices including fees in the listings directly.
betaby 4y ago
Sometimes I find it's difficult to differentiate between 'BNB's and 'hotels' on sites like booking and expedia. I was explicitly searching for hotel-looking rooms and booked them (checking on google maps those were not condo buildings or something). To my surprise - first one was indeed hotel-like, seems converted office building, self-check in with a digital lock. Second one - literally located in the office building, self-check in again, neighbors were insurance and tax offices. Both were good I would say - cleanness, location, price. Yet, I would prefer if listing/search explicitly said - self-checkin/office bulding/etc.
stemlord 4y ago
I went back to booking actual hotels or classic bnb's and will never look back, airbnb was cute while it lasted I guess but good riddance!
- rdtsc 4y ago
  I had never actually tried Airbnb after reading about all the issues people have been having. When I take time off work and go on vacation, the last thing I'd want to do is leave it up to some random person in a strange city to screw us over, get stranded with all the luggage, and then having to fight with Airbnb customer support. I'll pay more for a basic hotel room to get predictability.
  - browningstreet 4y ago
    One of the big things hotels could do tomorrow to disrupt Airbnbs is to put laundry equipment in rooms. The last time I went to NYC and LA for a week, doing laundry was a non trivial aspect of my trips. I spent 3 weeks in Europe this summer, in Airbnbs, and being able to pack less because we could do our own laundry without using external services was a vacation game changer. Non of the residential style hotels I use in the Bay Area make laundry easier in any way at all. It seems like a huge miss.
    - esalman 4y ago
      Many hotels do not even offer a microwave (ex. in NOLA). Laundry machines are too much to ask. I never used laundry in a hotel, until the last time. It was almost trivial, in the 3-star hotel in Dallas, the laundry room was easy to find, the front office had detergent ready for $2 or something, and actual washing+drying cost another $2. I know some people take issues with using public laundry machines, but then Airbnbs' are technically public machines too. So I don't really see them as a game-changer.
      - rdtsc 4y ago
        Some hotels do have them but they don't advertise it. It might be just one small room on a particular floor.
cercatrova 4y ago
I'll still have what? The title should be shortened if it can't fit into the character count.
logicalmonster 4y ago
> Airbnb ratcheted up its cleaning protocols during Covid-19, with a 36-page handbook requiring that hosts wash all hard surfaces with soap and water, vacuum the floors and disinfect switches and electronics, among other things. How often is Covid spreading through touching a random door handle or light switch? Very clean areas are always appreciated, but this seems to be mandated cosmetic theater and wasteful from the perspective of cutting costs for everybody.
- philipwhiuk 4y ago
  Never, it's not surface germ. There were zero cases of surface transmission last time I looked.
  - amluto 4y ago
    IIRC there was a case in NZ that seemed likely to have come from a contaminated package of imported food. The difference between zero and near-zero is essentially irrelevant anywhere with community transmission, but it does matter anywhere with a working zero-Covid policy.
- coffee_beqn 4y ago
  I thought we were over this in like June 2020. Do they still have that policy? Trust the science!
- kazinator 4y ago
  > How often is Covid spreading through touching a random door handle or light switch? Every time the calendar says April 2020. Oh, and save the masks for health care workers---they don't work; you may use an ad hoc cloth mask, if you like.
MomoXenosaga 4y ago
For that money I'll clean the room myself. I bet they even hire a cleaning lady "off the books".
- listenallyall 4y ago
  The point of the article is that hosts are demanding you clean the place yourself (and the list of chores and what to clean is growing), yet they also charge the cleaning fee.
  - georgeplusplus 4y ago
    Cleaning fees are usually required by state and local authorities that provide a level of service found in hotels. Clean basins, wash towels, sweep floors, empty garbage. If the guest decides to leave a ton of dishes in the sink and throw up on the floor, my cleaner needs to work harder than what she gets paid for so I pay her more. I hand that cost down to the dirty guest.
    - listenallyall 4y ago
      I see my comment triggered an Airbnb host. You are missing the point. What people are upset about is that they are NOT leaving these places dirty, in fact they are essentially required to perform a long list of tasks (well beyond just wash the dishes and take out trash), yet they still must pay the full (and often excessive) cleaning fee. Anyway, love how you, the owner, would never consider cleaning the place yourself. Guess that is below you. It's either the guests or the cleaning lady, but you yourself could never be bothered. Weak sauce.
    - CogitoCogito 4y ago
      > Cleaning fees are usually required by state and local authorities that provide a level of service found in hotels. In that case there really is no reason why the fees should not be included in the original advertised cost of the stay.
      - 4y ago
pigtailgirl 4y ago
-- rented an airbnb - said in the description: "recommend" we use the $30/week cleaning service they can kindly provide - we declined after we arrived - they opened a complaint with aribnb and airbnb just charged us for it anyway --
dcx 4y ago
Is it just me, or does this article look like a textbook example of a press hit / submarine marketing (as described by pg [1]), for Hilton's recently-launched anti-AirBnB campaign [2]? I don't know if I can trust this. It's almost ridiculously anecdotal, and in a big enough market it's unfairly easy to find anecdotes to support almost any claim. There are no metrics about typical cleanup expected or whether cleaning requirements are truly growing; running a dishwasher and cleaning your own messes seems patently reasonable as part of the "deal" of this kind of rental. And as a very infrequent AirBnB user, it's not clear to me how the $143 cleaning fee works. Is it only applied if you make a huge mess? Are the expectations on cleaning and possible fee made clear going in? Or is this always charged and part of the standard fee? I wish this kind of PR nonsense didn't exist; if so, the organic decision to write about this might be signal about a real trend. But given that it does, this may just be an attempt to pipe lies into my brain. I am suspicious. Edit: This line is extremely telling when carefully parsed: "[AirBnB] said around 55% of its active listings charge a cleaning fee, which on average makes up less than 10% of the total reservation cost." [1] http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/AirBnB/comments/wwqibv/hilton_launches_antiairbnb_campaign/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AirBnB/comments/wwqibv/hilton_launc...
- alborzb 4y ago
  > it's not clear to me how the $143 cleaning fee works. Is it only applied if you make a huge mess? The cleaning fee is added on to your bill on the checkout page when you make the booking. It is charged no matter what. Even if you never need to clean anything at all.
- iudqnolq 4y ago
  This is unscientific, but I suspect reflects the way a normal person might perceive Airbnb's fees as high: I went to airbnb.com logged out, selected the first posting listed, and tried to find the fees. There was no way to see the fee amount, or even know that there are extra fees, without first selecting a date range. I selected three days, and got this fee breakdown $614 x 3 nights: $1,842 Cleaning fee: $258 Service fee: $296 The unlisted fees increased the list price by around 30%, or $500. If I had been looking for a place to stay, found that place and decided it was reasonable, and then saw that number after I had already mentally committed, I would be frustrated. (The nightly price is high because I live near a very expensive area and that was the first thing Airbnb tried to promote to me. But I think this would work to reduce the cleaning fee percent, because the cleaning staff are being hired from the same lower cost of living area that services the cheaper properties in the area as well)
hnburnsy 4y ago
Never used ABnB but why do users care about their guest rating dipping? Do you get charged more or denied properties if you have a lower rating?
- fknorangesite 4y ago
  > denied properties Yes. The host is not required to approve your request to rent. At the end of a booking, guest and host leave reviews for each other. If I'm a guest regularly reviewed for trashing the place, the next host isn't going to want to rent to me.
- iudqnolq 4y ago
  I had a single bad experience with a host who incorrectly said I did damage and asked for money. Airbnb found them untruthful and didn't make me pay, but did let them leave a negative review saying I damaged their property. I left a long negative review of the host. Because a single sentence in that review covered a topic Airbnb considered not the host's fault they deleted the entire review and didn't let me leave another. I have been unable to use Airbnb again because every host will decline when they see that negative review.
  - t0mas88 4y ago
    Can you not just make a new account? Or does Airbnb do some verification that stops that?
    - fknorangesite 4y ago
      Yeah, you provide ID to Airbnb.
  - deleted 4y ago
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michalc 4y ago
One thing seems odd to me... about a guest's rating (not a host's): "she got a three-star review because the cleaning wasn’t up to the mark. Her perfect five-star rating dipped to 4.1." Can guests see their own star rating? I didn't even realise guests had them on AirBnB. I can't seem to find mine anywhere
- x0x0 4y ago
  If you're in California or the EU, submit a CCPA or GDPR request, respectively.
renewiltord 4y ago
If the cleaning information is included in the listing that'll help the market optimize. As is, because it's hidden, guests don't know what they're getting into
danieltillett 4y ago
A meta question on the WSJ headline - do American really use the plural for linen to refer to sheets, etc?
- quickthrowman 4y ago
  Yes, the word ‘linens’ is used to refer to bedsheets, bath towels/washcloths, and kitchen towels/washcloths in the US.
o0-0o 4y ago
When I go to a hotel, I never let any staff in. DND 24/7. I'm very clean, very organized, and very private. I don't really have to clean much when I leave, in fact if anything the room is likely cleaner than when I found it. This is how I was raised. I wouldn't pay for anything I normally wouldn't do, and my time is very valuable (a lot more so than money). AirBNB offers a better experience for me most of the time, but the locations and amenities of hotels are usually better. Hidden fees are awful, and let's not get surprised. You can contact the host before, and the barter system is in full effect on AirBNB. It's a lot less IRL with hotels (unless you're standing at the front desk). Anyway, I'm in the weeds too much on this. Consider yourself lucky you have the options and make a great memory.
fullsend 4y ago
Airbnb has allowed hosts to ratchet up cleaning fees ridiculously. They look for any excuse to remove your negative review so they can keep that property (income stream) producing. And the hosts have become more and more draconian now that they are people whose sole income is being a property manager, as opposed to when they were just people getting some money for an extra bedroom. I would short the stock but I don’t know what’s going to bring it down, where’s the competition. Hotels?
- Gigachad 4y ago
  A lot of the airbnb listings are hotels now. AirBNB is becoming a general discovery platform.
- dorchadas 4y ago
  > I don’t know what’s going to bring it down Regulations, hopefully. AirBnB is partially responsible for the housing crises that we're seeing worldwide. Hopefully regulation will catch up sooner rather than later. Tourists are not more important than locals.
elforce002 4y ago
Airbnb is not a solution for me anymore. Their prices are really similar to hotels and resorts but with the added value of having to clean, cook, etc... There's also the issue with housing affordability in the Airbnb's era. "...live long enough to become a villain.."

55 points by chewz 4y ago

https://archive.ph/quobm https://archive.ph/quobm

> Last month, Amanda Morari spent her sister’s bachelorette weekend at a lakefront cottage in Ontario province. As a Canadian it felt a little weird seeing "province" tacked on to the end of Ontario (and Quebec, earlier on in the article). Is this an Americanism, and why? I get that there is Washington State and Washington, DC, but there's only one Texas, one Connecticut, one North Dakota... No Canadian I know calls it Ontario province or Yukon territory (though I suppose the NWT is the lone exception.)

stemlord 4y ago
Probably just ignorance, I never hear Americans calling American regions provinces
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > never hear Americans calling American regions provinces We don’t have provinces [1], but semi-sovereign states. “Ontario province” is roughly analogous to the “state of Georgia.” [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province
CPLX 4y ago
Ontario is also the name of a smallish but reasonably well known American city which might be relevant.
- dsr_ 4y ago
  Even worse, it's ontario.ca.us, as opposed to the much bigger ontario.ca. (ontario.ca.us is not registered, but that's what it would be if it were.)
rts_cts 4y ago
I'm used to hearing Province of X but X province just sounds weird. Province of Alberta sounds right but Saskatchewan Province is just odd.
rchaud 4y ago
This the WSJ, which is not Canadian. There are several American towns named Ontario, which the writer may have been trying to differentiate from.
kareemsabri 4y ago
Most Americans don't know what Ontario is, I bet.
dixie_land 4y ago
Isn't it pretty much the same as your example of Washington? you know, to differentiate it from Ontario, CA, where all your UPS packages go missing or get stuck in "processing"

SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago

This is lamenting about the chore requirements some Airbnb’s instill, which I haven’t seen as much, but a recent discovery I made that is helpful to get around the other annoyance (ridiculous cleaning fees) hinted at in the article: in NL it’s illegal to unbundle price and cleaning fees, so if you browse with a Dutch VPN you get a map with both price and cleaning included, unlike in the States: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32780998#32786503 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32780998#32786503

arsenide 4y ago
Alternatively, you can use Airbnb.com.au to get total prices including fees in the listings directly.

betaby 4y ago

Sometimes I find it's difficult to differentiate between 'BNB's and 'hotels' on sites like booking and expedia. I was explicitly searching for hotel-looking rooms and booked them (checking on google maps those were not condo buildings or something). To my surprise - first one was indeed hotel-like, seems converted office building, self-check in with a digital lock. Second one - literally located in the office building, self-check in again, neighbors were insurance and tax offices. Both were good I would say - cleanness, location, price. Yet, I would prefer if listing/search explicitly said - self-checkin/office bulding/etc.

stemlord 4y ago

I went back to booking actual hotels or classic bnb's and will never look back, airbnb was cute while it lasted I guess but good riddance!

rdtsc 4y ago
I had never actually tried Airbnb after reading about all the issues people have been having. When I take time off work and go on vacation, the last thing I'd want to do is leave it up to some random person in a strange city to screw us over, get stranded with all the luggage, and then having to fight with Airbnb customer support. I'll pay more for a basic hotel room to get predictability.
- browningstreet 4y ago
  One of the big things hotels could do tomorrow to disrupt Airbnbs is to put laundry equipment in rooms. The last time I went to NYC and LA for a week, doing laundry was a non trivial aspect of my trips. I spent 3 weeks in Europe this summer, in Airbnbs, and being able to pack less because we could do our own laundry without using external services was a vacation game changer. Non of the residential style hotels I use in the Bay Area make laundry easier in any way at all. It seems like a huge miss.
  - esalman 4y ago
    Many hotels do not even offer a microwave (ex. in NOLA). Laundry machines are too much to ask. I never used laundry in a hotel, until the last time. It was almost trivial, in the 3-star hotel in Dallas, the laundry room was easy to find, the front office had detergent ready for $2 or something, and actual washing+drying cost another $2. I know some people take issues with using public laundry machines, but then Airbnbs' are technically public machines too. So I don't really see them as a game-changer.
    - rdtsc 4y ago
      Some hotels do have them but they don't advertise it. It might be just one small room on a particular floor.

cercatrova 4y ago

I'll still have what? The title should be shortened if it can't fit into the character count.

logicalmonster 4y ago

> Airbnb ratcheted up its cleaning protocols during Covid-19, with a 36-page handbook requiring that hosts wash all hard surfaces with soap and water, vacuum the floors and disinfect switches and electronics, among other things. How often is Covid spreading through touching a random door handle or light switch? Very clean areas are always appreciated, but this seems to be mandated cosmetic theater and wasteful from the perspective of cutting costs for everybody.

philipwhiuk 4y ago
Never, it's not surface germ. There were zero cases of surface transmission last time I looked.
- amluto 4y ago
  IIRC there was a case in NZ that seemed likely to have come from a contaminated package of imported food. The difference between zero and near-zero is essentially irrelevant anywhere with community transmission, but it does matter anywhere with a working zero-Covid policy.
coffee_beqn 4y ago
I thought we were over this in like June 2020. Do they still have that policy? Trust the science!
kazinator 4y ago
> How often is Covid spreading through touching a random door handle or light switch? Every time the calendar says April 2020. Oh, and save the masks for health care workers---they don't work; you may use an ad hoc cloth mask, if you like.

MomoXenosaga 4y ago

For that money I'll clean the room myself. I bet they even hire a cleaning lady "off the books".

listenallyall 4y ago
The point of the article is that hosts are demanding you clean the place yourself (and the list of chores and what to clean is growing), yet they also charge the cleaning fee.
- georgeplusplus 4y ago
  Cleaning fees are usually required by state and local authorities that provide a level of service found in hotels. Clean basins, wash towels, sweep floors, empty garbage. If the guest decides to leave a ton of dishes in the sink and throw up on the floor, my cleaner needs to work harder than what she gets paid for so I pay her more. I hand that cost down to the dirty guest.
  - listenallyall 4y ago
    I see my comment triggered an Airbnb host. You are missing the point. What people are upset about is that they are NOT leaving these places dirty, in fact they are essentially required to perform a long list of tasks (well beyond just wash the dishes and take out trash), yet they still must pay the full (and often excessive) cleaning fee. Anyway, love how you, the owner, would never consider cleaning the place yourself. Guess that is below you. It's either the guests or the cleaning lady, but you yourself could never be bothered. Weak sauce.
  - CogitoCogito 4y ago
    > Cleaning fees are usually required by state and local authorities that provide a level of service found in hotels. In that case there really is no reason why the fees should not be included in the original advertised cost of the stay.
    - 4y ago

pigtailgirl 4y ago

-- rented an airbnb - said in the description: "recommend" we use the $30/week cleaning service they can kindly provide - we declined after we arrived - they opened a complaint with aribnb and airbnb just charged us for it anyway --

dcx 4y ago

Is it just me, or does this article look like a textbook example of a press hit / submarine marketing (as described by pg [1]), for Hilton's recently-launched anti-AirBnB campaign [2]? I don't know if I can trust this. It's almost ridiculously anecdotal, and in a big enough market it's unfairly easy to find anecdotes to support almost any claim. There are no metrics about typical cleanup expected or whether cleaning requirements are truly growing; running a dishwasher and cleaning your own messes seems patently reasonable as part of the "deal" of this kind of rental. And as a very infrequent AirBnB user, it's not clear to me how the $143 cleaning fee works. Is it only applied if you make a huge mess? Are the expectations on cleaning and possible fee made clear going in? Or is this always charged and part of the standard fee? I wish this kind of PR nonsense didn't exist; if so, the organic decision to write about this might be signal about a real trend. But given that it does, this may just be an attempt to pipe lies into my brain. I am suspicious. Edit: This line is extremely telling when carefully parsed: "[AirBnB] said around 55% of its active listings charge a cleaning fee, which on average makes up less than 10% of the total reservation cost." [1] http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/AirBnB/comments/wwqibv/hilton_launches_antiairbnb_campaign/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AirBnB/comments/wwqibv/hilton_launc...

alborzb 4y ago
> it's not clear to me how the $143 cleaning fee works. Is it only applied if you make a huge mess? The cleaning fee is added on to your bill on the checkout page when you make the booking. It is charged no matter what. Even if you never need to clean anything at all.
iudqnolq 4y ago
This is unscientific, but I suspect reflects the way a normal person might perceive Airbnb's fees as high: I went to airbnb.com logged out, selected the first posting listed, and tried to find the fees. There was no way to see the fee amount, or even know that there are extra fees, without first selecting a date range. I selected three days, and got this fee breakdown $614 x 3 nights: $1,842 Cleaning fee: $258 Service fee: $296 The unlisted fees increased the list price by around 30%, or $500. If I had been looking for a place to stay, found that place and decided it was reasonable, and then saw that number after I had already mentally committed, I would be frustrated. (The nightly price is high because I live near a very expensive area and that was the first thing Airbnb tried to promote to me. But I think this would work to reduce the cleaning fee percent, because the cleaning staff are being hired from the same lower cost of living area that services the cheaper properties in the area as well)

hnburnsy 4y ago

Never used ABnB but why do users care about their guest rating dipping? Do you get charged more or denied properties if you have a lower rating?

fknorangesite 4y ago
> denied properties Yes. The host is not required to approve your request to rent. At the end of a booking, guest and host leave reviews for each other. If I'm a guest regularly reviewed for trashing the place, the next host isn't going to want to rent to me.
iudqnolq 4y ago
I had a single bad experience with a host who incorrectly said I did damage and asked for money. Airbnb found them untruthful and didn't make me pay, but did let them leave a negative review saying I damaged their property. I left a long negative review of the host. Because a single sentence in that review covered a topic Airbnb considered not the host's fault they deleted the entire review and didn't let me leave another. I have been unable to use Airbnb again because every host will decline when they see that negative review.
- t0mas88 4y ago
  Can you not just make a new account? Or does Airbnb do some verification that stops that?
  - fknorangesite 4y ago
    Yeah, you provide ID to Airbnb.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]

michalc 4y ago

One thing seems odd to me... about a guest's rating (not a host's): "she got a three-star review because the cleaning wasn’t up to the mark. Her perfect five-star rating dipped to 4.1." Can guests see their own star rating? I didn't even realise guests had them on AirBnB. I can't seem to find mine anywhere

x0x0 4y ago
If you're in California or the EU, submit a CCPA or GDPR request, respectively.

renewiltord 4y ago

If the cleaning information is included in the listing that'll help the market optimize. As is, because it's hidden, guests don't know what they're getting into

danieltillett 4y ago

A meta question on the WSJ headline - do American really use the plural for linen to refer to sheets, etc?

quickthrowman 4y ago
Yes, the word ‘linens’ is used to refer to bedsheets, bath towels/washcloths, and kitchen towels/washcloths in the US.

o0-0o 4y ago

When I go to a hotel, I never let any staff in. DND 24/7. I'm very clean, very organized, and very private. I don't really have to clean much when I leave, in fact if anything the room is likely cleaner than when I found it. This is how I was raised. I wouldn't pay for anything I normally wouldn't do, and my time is very valuable (a lot more so than money). AirBNB offers a better experience for me most of the time, but the locations and amenities of hotels are usually better. Hidden fees are awful, and let's not get surprised. You can contact the host before, and the barter system is in full effect on AirBNB. It's a lot less IRL with hotels (unless you're standing at the front desk). Anyway, I'm in the weeds too much on this. Consider yourself lucky you have the options and make a great memory.

fullsend 4y ago

Airbnb has allowed hosts to ratchet up cleaning fees ridiculously. They look for any excuse to remove your negative review so they can keep that property (income stream) producing. And the hosts have become more and more draconian now that they are people whose sole income is being a property manager, as opposed to when they were just people getting some money for an extra bedroom. I would short the stock but I don’t know what’s going to bring it down, where’s the competition. Hotels?

Gigachad 4y ago
A lot of the airbnb listings are hotels now. AirBNB is becoming a general discovery platform.
dorchadas 4y ago
> I don’t know what’s going to bring it down Regulations, hopefully. AirBnB is partially responsible for the housing crises that we're seeing worldwide. Hopefully regulation will catch up sooner rather than later. Tourists are not more important than locals.

elforce002 4y ago

Airbnb is not a solution for me anymore. Their prices are really similar to hotels and resorts but with the added value of having to clean, cook, etc... There's also the issue with housing affordability in the Airbnb's era. "...live long enough to become a villain.."