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If this passes, basically what's going to happen is a lot of pre-filtering of people entering social networks akin to next doors strategy. I've worked at a civ
by robust-cactus 4y ago
If this passes, basically what's going to happen is a lot of pre-filtering of people entering social networks akin to next doors strategy.
I've worked at a civic tech social network that had no rules, and eventually the extremists pushed out all the normal folks - it's just stupid shouting matches. We tore it all down and made isolated communities. It's basically the only way to have real discourse.
- disruptiveink 4y agoNo, if this passes, tech companies will just stop operating in Texas outright. It's really as simple as that.
- fooey 4y agoThe Texas law makes it illegal to not do business with Texas Which is hilarious, but who the hell knows what the courts will decide these days
- ajross 4y agoIt already passed, it's a law on the books in Texas. And now it's been upheld at by both trial and circuit courts. FWIW: there's one last chance at SCOTUS to undo this, but if that doesn't work out what we're almost certain to see instead of "pre-filtering" is just "No Tweeting from Texas".
- robust-cactus 4y agoIt's kinda interesting how a world like "no tweeting from Texas" might jive with EU laws which want to restrict IO and data storage to just inside the region or country. Are we about to get more decentralized just because the laws are accidentally forcing us to? Imagine connecting to EU or Texas Twitter to see what's going on there.
- mwint 4y agoOh, it’s not accidental.
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- ben_w 4y agoIt’s not accidental. I don’t see how the old “Wild West” era of the internet was ever going to be compatible with any two sovereign nations that had even a minuscule difference of opinion about any of copyright and database rights, privacy, obscenity, hacking, incitement, libel, or anything else that might come broadly under the heading of “free speech”.
- encryptluks2 4y agoMaybe they can finally secede and take Elon with them.
- taylodl 4y agoSimple. Shut off Texas. You don’t have a right to use social media. I wouldn’t even appeal the decision. Let Texas lie in the bed they made.
- mythrwy 4y agoIf Texas were shut off from social media, would net mental health and productivity of Texans increase? I say we do the experiment and find out!
- thechao 4y agoMy exurban Texan neighbors wouldn't be able to post their dog whistles on the neighborhood FB page. Oh! Woe is me!
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- colinmhayes 4y agoI seriously do not.
- efitz 4y ago“Othering” has moved from race to political viewpoint, but the human tendency to exclude others from discourse/commerce/society is still alive and well.
- joshuamorton 4y agoDo you consider it othering based on political viewpoint when us companies block European access for gdpr reasons?
- SantalBlush 4y ago>“Othering” has moved from race to political viewpoint No it hasn't. People have been othered for either reason for millennia, and continue to be so. This is probably one of the safest eras for having an unpopular political view in the US. For example, try being accused of holding communist views during most of the 20th century.
- galangalalgol 4y agoNo tweeting from Texas sounds like a great idea! We can expand it to no tweeting from anywhere after we see the effects on Texans. Then I bknow the popular nexts step would be to get rid of FB and Instagram, but I'm in favor of dissolving Pinterest first. It is like charlie and the football everytime I follow a link from an image search looking for something only to notice it was Pinterest right afterwards but before it loads, realizing I am about to be hounded to load an app, then log in, and then be shown that image is no longer part of Pinterest.
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- DannyBee 4y agoActually, they will likely ask for en banc first. This is just a three judge panel
- houstonn 4y agoThe obvious byproduct is their happiness and productivity would increase, and other states would swiftly copy them to remain competitive. Then social media would have to respond to that.
- aliasxneo 4y agoThe apparent disdain for Texas in this thread is bizarre.
- cddotdotslash 4y agoI mean… it’s the state that implemented this law. So we’re not talking about Montana or something here.
- yieldcrv 4y agoI’m a big fan of simply exiting sovereign markets that are not worth it and would like to see corporations do this more frequently It is very easy for private sector of almost any size to remind sovereigns about overplaying their hand
- the_jeremy 4y agoAs a not-Texan, almost all of what I hear about Texas is oil, conservatism, failed power systems during winter, anti-abortion-rights, and using immigrants as political theater by sending them to DC/NY. I don't know that the disdain is unexpected given the political leaning of people working in technology.
- sacrosancty 4y agoYou're probably living in a filter bubble. You'd be hearing only the same kind of things about California if you were in a different bubble.
- themitigating 4y agoWhataboutisn. He didn't claim what he heard was true. He didn't say he doesn't hear things about other states. Nor did he make a judgment about Texas. He only offered a possible explanation to the gp
- the_jeremy 4y agoI get most of my national news from NPR. What news am I missing about Texas? I guess I forgot the Uvalde school shooting police response in my list. I do hear bad things about California - homelessness, drug use, lots of petty theft that doesn't get prosecuted, ridiculously expensive housing, NIMBYs - but that's unrelated.
- FollowingTheDao 4y agoIt’s called living offline.
- efitz 4y agoYet Reddit, that follows this model, still manages to engage in suppression of on-topic viewpoints that moderators and/or Reddit employees disagree with.
- themitigating 4y agoWhat evidence do you have of reddit employees censoring information they disagree with?
- navigate8310 4y agoObligatory: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/5ektpc/rthe_donald_accuses_the_admins_of_editing_t_ds/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/5ektpc/rthe...
- themitigating 4y agoThis says an admin was accused of editing posts, it doesn't provide proof. It then says users down voted him not employees of reddit. Also subbit reddit admins aren't employees , I believe most people can create a subreddit and be an admin
- richbell 4y ago> This says an admin was accused of editing posts, it doesn't provide proof. It then says users down voted him not employees of reddit. SubredditDrama is a meta-subreddit. They linked to the post by Spez where he admitted to editing the comment — unfortunately, it's no longer available due to Reddit banning r/the_donald, but you can find numerous news articles that include his original comment. E.g., https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-38088712 https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-38088712 > Also subbit reddit admins aren't employees , I believe most people can create a subreddit and be an admin In Reddit terminology those are moderators. Administrators are site-wide and employed by Reddit.
- Jensson 4y agoHe admitted it himself that he did it: https://old.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_by_editing_some_comments_and_creating_an/ https://old.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_...
- mikkergp 4y agoI wonder if the underlying goal of all this is actually classic authoritarian restriction of freedoms. The big public platforms are much better for spreading progressive ideas than conservative ideas. Maybe this was the underlying reason they wanted to repeal section 230. It wasn’t a misunderstanding it was strategic.
- seydor 4y agoAre you sure? Seems like Twitter&FB and the like were more likely to promote the reactions to conservative ideas, which by necessity gives more airtime to those.
- lkrubner 4y agoThe only research that has been done on this found that on Twitter the conservative voices were amplified more than progressive voices: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/10/27/twitter-amplifies-conservative-politicians/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/10/27/twitter-am...
- trimethylpurine 4y agoThe opinion of three journalists working for the same retail tech conglomerate is hardly "research." WaPo has suffered a Pulitzer Prize revocation in 1981 for fabricating stories, has continuously circulated advertisements from China Watch (operated by the CCP), repeatedly settled on libelous claims made for profit, and on numerous occasions assisted in providing platforms for anti-Western and anti-Semitic groups supported by Iran. It's a joke to imagine they would do research in hopes of drawing any conclusion but the one that makes them the most money.
- themitigating 4y agoSo have many other media outlets. It's an old company with many employees some of whom aren't going to be ethical. As for the Chinese government ads: do you want them to censor it?
- seydor 4y agoSure but it moves the goalposts, away from employees. I think it's better if individual sub-networks selfregulate
- gfodor 4y agoI hope the internet returns to this model for like a dozen reasons. Insofar as we can be sure this kind of regulation gets there it should be celebrated imo.
- scarface74 4y agoThe internet should be a common carrier. A private company that sits on top of the internet is not a common carrier. Why should the government be able to regulate what private companies publish? I bet you dollars to doughnuts that neither RedState or Truth social would want to be under the same regulations. I’ve been banned from RedState twice.
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- starik36 4y agoBut if the company is the de-facto monopoly in the political discourse, like Twitter is, then it should be treated as a common carrier/utility/etc...
- scarface74 4y agoHow is Twitter a de facto monopoly? They have a monopoly on what exactly - communication forums on the Internet? Why is it that conservatives are unable to create an alternative?
- starik36 4y agoThey have a monopoly on political discourse. Why isn’t there an alternative? Network effect.
- scarface74 4y agoSo there is no other way that people can talk about politics without going on Twitter? If Twitter is a monopoly and doing is badly as they are financially. They must be doing something wrong. I’m sure if Fox News or a billionaire ex-president wanted to start a social media platform he could. He has plenty of people coming to his rallies. He couldn’t get enough of his 75 million voters to come to Truth Social to make it successful.
- analog31 4y agoIs there anything to prevent a platform from categorizing content without censoring it?
- xani_ 4y agoModeration is double edged sword sadly, you need it else the extremists will do exactly that, interpret the ideas of community in the extreme all while pushing out people that they think are not extreme enough. But on other side... good luck looking for one. The people that volunteer to have a bunch of power over a community and decide who's allowed to stay and who have to go are usually exactly the type you don't want to moderate anything, or have any power whatsoever over anything. I've seen few times where self moderation mostly worked but it was due to established culture there and any newcomer that misbehaved was just scolded by the more veteran members and that was usually enough. You can see it on smaller subreddits too.