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> "This person was convicted of raping someone. You feel safe interacting with them in person, but others might not." The fact that some people may "feel safe
by csmpltn 4y ago
> "This person was convicted of raping someone. You feel safe interacting with them in person, but others might not."
The fact that some people may "feel safe interacting with them in person, but others might not" is exactly my point. We shouldn't be locking people out of society forever and ever based on feelings. We need to work locally to try and find optimal solutions to specific problems, and provide the tools needed for the individuals involved to make the best out of the situation (within the boundaries of the law, which includes anti-discrimination laws).
> "Don’t misrepresent what this means. Inclusion is about including people who’ve been excluded through no fault of their own."
That's your interpretation of this, but that's not the universal definition of "inclusion".
Also, do you actually know the specific people involved, and the specific details of what happened? People commit crimes due to any number of factors (experiencing abuse earlier in life, mental conditions, being a victim of a crime themselves at some point, different struggles, etc). You yourself just suggested that "it would be good to show a bit more empathy", so how about you actually follow your own advice?
> "Is your claim that a convicted rapist has done nothing to deserve to be excluded?"
No, that's not what I claimed at-all. It's always amusing to see the logical leaps a SJW will go through to try and get a point across.
First - when you say "excluded" - could you be more specific? Excluded from what exactly? From life on earth? From ever leaving home again? From ever interacting with other human beings? What exactly would be an appropriate life for a person in this position, according to you?
Second - this person, according to you, has been convicted. In a democratic, law-abiding society - this means they've been handled by the legal and correctional systems, which are the only two systems that have a monopoly on "judging" and "correcting" people. It's not up to a C++ conference to "judge" or "correct" people.
Third - this person may very well be trying their hardest to heal, move on, and start over. What are you doing to help such people come back and reintegrate into society?
Fourth - why stop at one specific class of crimes? Let's throw out everybody with a record. Tax issues? Stealing candy at a gas store when you were 12? Bad divorce?
How about speeding tickets? I don't feel safe working with people who drive recklessly. We must make sure there aren't any such people in CppCon 2022.
Got arrested by the police at a violent BLM protest? Too bad, you're locked out of society forever. Or... wait, that's not the people you're actually after here, are you?
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- alanbernstein 4y ago> Fourth - why stop at one specific class of crimes? Let's throw out everybody with a record. Tax issues? Stealing candy at a gas store when you were 12? Bad divorce? This is really disingenuous. When you're interacting with a stranger, and you find out they had a bad divorce, do you suddenly feel concern that they might divorce you? Let's go in the other direction. Do you believe child sex offenders are suffering injustice when they are not allowed to interact with children? How about drunk drivers that are permanently banned from driving (hypothetical though that may be)?
- csmpltn 4y ago> "This is really disingenuous. When you're interacting with a stranger, and you find out they had a bad divorce, do you suddenly feel concern that they might divorce you?" I think you got the general spirit of my comment, and I don't want to play tit-for-tat over the examples I provided. Why should the bar for banning people from associating with C++ conferences only stop at one specific class of crimes? > "Do you believe child sex offenders are suffering injustice when they are not allowed to interact with children?" No, I never said that. What we're seeing here is a coordinated social justice campaign (taking place on Twitter and other social networks) to ban an ex-con, who is an otherwise free human being, from associating with a C++ conference.
- alanbernstein 4y agoI think it's a good question to ask, because I agree the social justice cancel war feels a bit silly, generally speaking. But you equated one of the most violent crimes with misdemeanor petty theft of a 50 cent candy bar. That doesn't make any sense.
- rasz 4y agoDude is on sex offender list, every time he moves he has to inform neighbors about his rapist/child porn status. "Megan’s Law refers to a collection of laws that mandate the notification of sex offenders in a particular community to the people that live there." Here is how it looks in practice https://dailyvoice.com/new-york/yonkers/news/sex-offender-convicted-of-raping-drugged-victim-reports-move-into-yonkers/773166/ https://dailyvoice.com/new-york/yonkers/news/sex-offender-co... Would you send your daughter to an event with knowledge organizers conspired to hide the fact one of the speakers, authoritative figure young people would look up to and trust, is a registered sex offender? More specifically the one from above link.