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Tbh I'm surprised it's an issue. Rust community is small and thus mostly welcoming, plus there were lots of non-binary programmers. Did that change while I wa

by Ygg2 4y ago

Tbh I'm surprised it's an issue. Rust community is small and thus mostly welcoming, plus there were lots of non-binary programmers. Did that change while I wasn't looking?

brabel 4y ago
From the post: > Rust's diversity numbers are terrible. They are even terrible compared to the tech industry, which is terrible to begin with. I guess they have real numbers about it, but did not share. I am also surprised because the Rust Foundation staff itself seems pretty "diverse"[1] (at least the male/female rate... nearly everyone seems white though), yet it seems they still didn't manage to make the Rust community as diverse. I guess you can't just "wish" things into existence... systems programming has always been (mostly white/asian) male-dominated and Rust can't change that by itself. [1] https://foundation.rust-lang.org/about/ https://foundation.rust-lang.org/about/
- zozbot234 4y ago
  > I guess you can't just "wish" things into existence... systems programming has always been (mostly white/asian) male-dominated and Rust can't change that by itself. The FLOSS community, by and large, is also known to be a lot less diverse than the tech industry as a whole. I'm pretty sure that both are significant factors. OTOH, it's quite likely that Rust is already doing better than the C/C++ community on these metrics, which is perhaps the more meaningful comparison.
- Thiez 4y ago
  They have real numbers, and they did not share. Several questions about it were included in the annual survey of 2021, but they chose not to share these numbers with the community, claiming "an over-abundance of caution" as their reasons. One possible stated consequence for sharing these numbers was "some anti-lgbt group finds the data, decides the numbers are significant, and starts targeting local Rust meetups". Now that the article claims that the numbers are "even terrible compared to the tech industry", this hypothetical consequence seems rather silly. See here for more information: https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/vhvb4m/2021_annual_survey_report/idae8h1/ https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/vhvb4m/2021_annual_su...

by Ygg2 4y ago

Tbh I'm surprised it's an issue. Rust community is small and thus mostly welcoming, plus there were lots of non-binary programmers. Did that change while I wasn't looking?

brabel 4y ago

From the post: > Rust's diversity numbers are terrible. They are even terrible compared to the tech industry, which is terrible to begin with. I guess they have real numbers about it, but did not share. I am also surprised because the Rust Foundation staff itself seems pretty "diverse"[1] (at least the male/female rate... nearly everyone seems white though), yet it seems they still didn't manage to make the Rust community as diverse. I guess you can't just "wish" things into existence... systems programming has always been (mostly white/asian) male-dominated and Rust can't change that by itself. [1] https://foundation.rust-lang.org/about/ https://foundation.rust-lang.org/about/

zozbot234 4y ago
> I guess you can't just "wish" things into existence... systems programming has always been (mostly white/asian) male-dominated and Rust can't change that by itself. The FLOSS community, by and large, is also known to be a lot less diverse than the tech industry as a whole. I'm pretty sure that both are significant factors. OTOH, it's quite likely that Rust is already doing better than the C/C++ community on these metrics, which is perhaps the more meaningful comparison.
Thiez 4y ago
They have real numbers, and they did not share. Several questions about it were included in the annual survey of 2021, but they chose not to share these numbers with the community, claiming "an over-abundance of caution" as their reasons. One possible stated consequence for sharing these numbers was "some anti-lgbt group finds the data, decides the numbers are significant, and starts targeting local Rust meetups". Now that the article claims that the numbers are "even terrible compared to the tech industry", this hypothetical consequence seems rather silly. See here for more information: https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/vhvb4m/2021_annual_survey_report/idae8h1/ https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/vhvb4m/2021_annual_su...