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The translations include changes to modern words, don't they? Don't tell me you can't see the craziness you're leading yourself into here. And don't tell me you

The translations include changes to modern words, don't they? Don't tell me you can't see the craziness you're leading yourself into here. And don't tell me you don't see any room for misinterpretation if you are even correct - which you aren't as the other commenter has shown. From another commenter: > A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man And also: > A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. Tell us please how we just misunderstood the context of these two. Or were we supposed to begin reading between the lines now that it doesn't sound so positive?

Thorrez 4y ago
The translations change the individual words, and move words around to fit grammatically, but they tend to be fairly literal. See this literal word by word translation from the original Greek, and see how it's basically the same as the translation previously quoted: https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/14-26.htm https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/14-26.htm Neither of those other quotes were from Jesus, they were from Paul. Neither of them say abusing women is ok. I agree that parts of the new testament sound off to modern ears. If you're interested in how those quotes can be interpreted, one example is https://www.thegoodbook.com/blog/interestingthoughts/2019/04/02/unpacking-a-controversial-passage-1-timothy-2/ https://www.thegoodbook.com/blog/interestingthoughts/2019/04...
- goto11 4y ago
  > Neither of them say abusing women is ok I guess this depends on if you think it is abuse to treat women as subservient beings and deny them their voice. But you must really fear smart women to think this is good thing.
  - Thorrez 4y ago
    That second quote is about church services. It doesn't apply to the workplace, schools, or any place except church services. https://www.crossway.org/articles/what-does-it-mean-that-women-should-remain-quiet-in-church-1-timothy-2/ https://www.crossway.org/articles/what-does-it-mean-that-wom...

Thorrez 4y ago

The translations change the individual words, and move words around to fit grammatically, but they tend to be fairly literal. See this literal word by word translation from the original Greek, and see how it's basically the same as the translation previously quoted: https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/14-26.htm https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/14-26.htm Neither of those other quotes were from Jesus, they were from Paul. Neither of them say abusing women is ok. I agree that parts of the new testament sound off to modern ears. If you're interested in how those quotes can be interpreted, one example is https://www.thegoodbook.com/blog/interestingthoughts/2019/04/02/unpacking-a-controversial-passage-1-timothy-2/ https://www.thegoodbook.com/blog/interestingthoughts/2019/04...

goto11 4y ago
> Neither of them say abusing women is ok I guess this depends on if you think it is abuse to treat women as subservient beings and deny them their voice. But you must really fear smart women to think this is good thing.
- Thorrez 4y ago
  That second quote is about church services. It doesn't apply to the workplace, schools, or any place except church services. https://www.crossway.org/articles/what-does-it-mean-that-women-should-remain-quiet-in-church-1-timothy-2/ https://www.crossway.org/articles/what-does-it-mean-that-wom...