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> The way I understand it is that "hate" in this context means "love less" It means "treat like shit and abandon". You can see this from other examples: > He

by goto11 4y ago

> The way I understand it is that "hate" in this context means "love less" It means "treat like shit and abandon". You can see this from other examples: > He said to another man, “Follow me.” But he replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.” Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.” > Still another said, “I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say goodbye to my family.” Jesus replied, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.”

Thorrez 4y ago
> He said to another man, “Follow me.” But he replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.” Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.” That man's father is still alive. When he says "bury my father" he means continue living with his father until his father dies and he then becomes fully independent and can have time to follow Jesus. Jesus says don't wait for some long future day, follow me right now. The guy isn't literally walking to the cemetery at that moment to bury his father. > Still another said, “I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say goodbye to my family.” Jesus replied, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.” Jesus isn't saying we shouldn't have ties to our family. Jesus goes with Peter to visit Peter's mother in law for example, and Jesus keeps in touch with his own mother. In this instance, Jesus sees this guy is making excuses and says we need to stop making excuses. Following God is more important than anything else and if we put off God in favor of family, that's wrong. We should still love our family and treat them with respect, but don't use them as an excuse to avoid following God.
- goto11 4y ago
  > That man's father is still alive At this point you are just writing fan-fiction. > We should still love our family and treat them with respect, That may be what you believe, which is great, but that is just not what Jesus is saying. Leaving your family without saying goodbye is just a really horrible thing to do.
  - Thorrez 4y ago
    >At this point you are just writing fan-fiction. Ok, looking into it more, it looks like it's not a completely agreed upon point on whether the father is alive or dead[1]. The thing is, you and I, being so far removed and thus unfamiliar with the culture and idioms of the time, don't have a real basis to claim one way or the other whether the father is alive. >Leaving your family without saying goodbye is just a really horrible thing to do. Jesus can see into the man's heart and knows he's making excuses. We don't really know anything about this man, but Jesus was with him frequently, and knows him well. Maybe he doesn't have any close family and is referring to distant cousins. Jesus knows that and we don't. Jesus' disciples don't abandon their family, because we're told of Jesus visiting their families with them. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_8:21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_8:21
    - goto11 4y ago
      > Maybe he doesn't have any close family and is referring to distant cousins. You are just making up stories. Of course you are free to make up any story you want if this helps with the cognitive dissonance arising the text.

by goto11 4y ago

Thorrez 4y ago

> He said to another man, “Follow me.” But he replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.” Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.” That man's father is still alive. When he says "bury my father" he means continue living with his father until his father dies and he then becomes fully independent and can have time to follow Jesus. Jesus says don't wait for some long future day, follow me right now. The guy isn't literally walking to the cemetery at that moment to bury his father. > Still another said, “I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say goodbye to my family.” Jesus replied, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.” Jesus isn't saying we shouldn't have ties to our family. Jesus goes with Peter to visit Peter's mother in law for example, and Jesus keeps in touch with his own mother. In this instance, Jesus sees this guy is making excuses and says we need to stop making excuses. Following God is more important than anything else and if we put off God in favor of family, that's wrong. We should still love our family and treat them with respect, but don't use them as an excuse to avoid following God.

goto11 4y ago
> That man's father is still alive At this point you are just writing fan-fiction. > We should still love our family and treat them with respect, That may be what you believe, which is great, but that is just not what Jesus is saying. Leaving your family without saying goodbye is just a really horrible thing to do.
- Thorrez 4y ago
  >At this point you are just writing fan-fiction. Ok, looking into it more, it looks like it's not a completely agreed upon point on whether the father is alive or dead[1]. The thing is, you and I, being so far removed and thus unfamiliar with the culture and idioms of the time, don't have a real basis to claim one way or the other whether the father is alive. >Leaving your family without saying goodbye is just a really horrible thing to do. Jesus can see into the man's heart and knows he's making excuses. We don't really know anything about this man, but Jesus was with him frequently, and knows him well. Maybe he doesn't have any close family and is referring to distant cousins. Jesus knows that and we don't. Jesus' disciples don't abandon their family, because we're told of Jesus visiting their families with them. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_8:21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_8:21
  - goto11 4y ago
    > Maybe he doesn't have any close family and is referring to distant cousins. You are just making up stories. Of course you are free to make up any story you want if this helps with the cognitive dissonance arising the text.