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Coups need weapons, you know. Preferably tons of them, and generally involve fun activities like killing or summarily imprisoning your political opponents. Som

Coups need weapons, you know. Preferably tons of them, and generally involve fun activities like killing or summarily imprisoning your political opponents. Somehow a huge swarm of a generally armed demographic left their guns at home when attempting a 'coup'. Or maybe they just went to protest what they thought to be a wrongful state of affairs, and the situation devolved into a riot. Who knows. Maybe you can pull off a coup against the United States with selfie sticks instead of F15s.

michaelmrose 4y ago
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/coup-d-etat https://www.dictionary.com/browse/coup-d-etat > a sudden and decisive action in politics, especially one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force. It is an attempted coup to ask election officials,courts, and then lawmakers to toss out legitimate ballots or wholesale discard or modify results in order to change the outcome of an election and then attempt to intimidate lawmakers with a show of force and violence intended to convince them in the presidents own words to "show some strength" by which it is meant illegally discard democracy in favor of fascism. This statement by you reads like an apologist for a rapist disregarding allegations by virtue of re-defining rape to mean a stranger dragging a poor misdirected maid into the bushes. It also reeks of a peculiar strategy that suggests we dismiss the actual by virtue of how little sense the strategy makes in the cold light of day. To this day I refer to this as the Connie defense in honor of an erstwhile house guest who while living in my home stole and then explained when caught that she wouldn't possibly have done that because it would be such an extreme disadvantage to do so for such a small gain. Indeed it was and I don't logically need to explicate her stupidity in order to allow the evidence of my own eyes to trivially convict her and put her out of my house like Fred Flinstone's cat. The same women got a vehicle towed because she was speeding down the highway, while smoking a joint, and driving without a license. I doubt the Connie defense availed her then either. We all saw the attempted coup on TV. Personally I watched it in real time on multiple monitors showing the news cameras view on one side and the insurrectionists on the other side. I saw months of blatant lies followed by a plea directly issued by the president to intimidate lawmakers and an organized if badly organized attempt to intimidate lawmakers. It happened. There was no stolen election and indeed only one side was working double time to steal it for Donald Trump.
dane-pgp 4y ago
You're arguing against a strawman if you think the claim is "Every Trump supporter who turned up to the Capitol was part of an armed militia attempting to violently take over the government". The claim is merely that among the Trump supporters were some armed individuals who were prepared to do whatever it took to stop the process of counting the electoral votes, which would have potentially been enough to change the outcome of the election. The fact that his supporters almost succeeded despite most of them not being armed should be a cause for more concern rather than less, since it shows what a soft target they were attacking (and presumably some were at least subconsciously aware of that, which might have influenced their decision to not bring their weapons). Anyway, as for your specific claim that they "left their guns at home", I refer you to this[0] article from last year: "At least three people arrested in connection with the insurrection are facing charges for carrying firearms on Capitol grounds. At least eight others carried knives or tasers at the Capitol, including two defendants who allegedly committed assaults with tasers, according to FBI and court documents. Multiple others arrested downtown and in the vicinity of the Capitol had rifles, pistols, explosive materials, and large supplies of ammunition. And communications among numerous January 6 suspects detailed in court documents indicate that many of their fellow insurrectionists were armed with guns." [0] https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2021/09/trump-extremists-guns-january-6-insurrection-congress-domestic-terrorism/ https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2021/09/trump-extr...

michaelmrose 4y ago

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/coup-d-etat https://www.dictionary.com/browse/coup-d-etat > a sudden and decisive action in politics, especially one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force. It is an attempted coup to ask election officials,courts, and then lawmakers to toss out legitimate ballots or wholesale discard or modify results in order to change the outcome of an election and then attempt to intimidate lawmakers with a show of force and violence intended to convince them in the presidents own words to "show some strength" by which it is meant illegally discard democracy in favor of fascism. This statement by you reads like an apologist for a rapist disregarding allegations by virtue of re-defining rape to mean a stranger dragging a poor misdirected maid into the bushes. It also reeks of a peculiar strategy that suggests we dismiss the actual by virtue of how little sense the strategy makes in the cold light of day. To this day I refer to this as the Connie defense in honor of an erstwhile house guest who while living in my home stole and then explained when caught that she wouldn't possibly have done that because it would be such an extreme disadvantage to do so for such a small gain. Indeed it was and I don't logically need to explicate her stupidity in order to allow the evidence of my own eyes to trivially convict her and put her out of my house like Fred Flinstone's cat. The same women got a vehicle towed because she was speeding down the highway, while smoking a joint, and driving without a license. I doubt the Connie defense availed her then either. We all saw the attempted coup on TV. Personally I watched it in real time on multiple monitors showing the news cameras view on one side and the insurrectionists on the other side. I saw months of blatant lies followed by a plea directly issued by the president to intimidate lawmakers and an organized if badly organized attempt to intimidate lawmakers. It happened. There was no stolen election and indeed only one side was working double time to steal it for Donald Trump.

dane-pgp 4y ago

You're arguing against a strawman if you think the claim is "Every Trump supporter who turned up to the Capitol was part of an armed militia attempting to violently take over the government". The claim is merely that among the Trump supporters were some armed individuals who were prepared to do whatever it took to stop the process of counting the electoral votes, which would have potentially been enough to change the outcome of the election. The fact that his supporters almost succeeded despite most of them not being armed should be a cause for more concern rather than less, since it shows what a soft target they were attacking (and presumably some were at least subconsciously aware of that, which might have influenced their decision to not bring their weapons). Anyway, as for your specific claim that they "left their guns at home", I refer you to this[0] article from last year: "At least three people arrested in connection with the insurrection are facing charges for carrying firearms on Capitol grounds. At least eight others carried knives or tasers at the Capitol, including two defendants who allegedly committed assaults with tasers, according to FBI and court documents. Multiple others arrested downtown and in the vicinity of the Capitol had rifles, pistols, explosive materials, and large supplies of ammunition. And communications among numerous January 6 suspects detailed in court documents indicate that many of their fellow insurrectionists were armed with guns." [0] https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2021/09/trump-extremists-guns-january-6-insurrection-congress-domestic-terrorism/ https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2021/09/trump-extr...