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Wouldn’t the living artifact that results from this embryo just be horribly incompatible with life and die quickly or at best live for a brief time before expir

by xwdv 4y ago

Wouldn’t the living artifact that results from this embryo just be horribly incompatible with life and die quickly or at best live for a brief time before expiring?

saxonww 4y ago
Possibly? I expect we'll figure out how to do this with a high chance of success within the next few decades if not sooner, unless for some reason every country capable of supporting the research bans it.
- tsimionescu 4y ago
  Human cloning research has similarly been banned, and quite successfully, hasn't it?
  - Firmwarrior 4y ago
    What's the point in cloning people? I'm pretty clueless about biology, but as I understand it the process to generate new semi-randomized humans using a woman is fairly well understood and straightforward
    - implements 4y ago
      > What's the point in cloning people? Medical treatment (availability of 100% immune-compatible spare parts) and in a possible future, life extension.
Tozen 4y ago
I suspect we will find out at some point in the next 25 to 50 years. Somebody, somewhere, is going to give it a good try. As in not stop at just the embryo stage, but make fully functional living beings, regardless of whatever laws exist. The ramifications of "synthetic life", will sure to be staggering. This was covered a bit in the Blade Runner Sci-Fi, but what real Replicants would be like and what they will do with them, might be wilder than we could imagine.
- tsimionescu 4y ago
  > Somebody, somewhere, is going to give it a good try. People always say this, and yet the universal ban on human cloning has, at least so far, held strong and prevented further research more or less entirely.
  - nomel 4y ago
    Primates have been cloned [1], human embryos have been cloned (supposedly) [2], and there are confirmed gene edited babies [3]. But, I doubt the existence of a ban means humans haven't been cloned, because I have trouble believing that a group that would successfully clone a human would be dumb enough to tell the world, state sponsored or not. 1. https://www.science.org/content/article/these-monkey-twins-are-first-primate-clones-made-method-developed-dolly https://www.science.org/content/article/these-monkey-twins-a... 2. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2009-02/04/content_7443166.htm http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2009-02/04/content_7443166... 3. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/08/cloning-crispr-he-jiankui-china-biotech-boom-could-transform-lives-destroy-them/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/08/cloning-crispr-he-jiank...
    - tsimionescu 4y ago
      Primates are not humans, cloning embryos for stem cell research is different from creating human clones, and the scientist who produced the two CRISPR-edited children went to jail, and he and his associates are banned for life from working in this type of research or even providing care in this area.
      - terminalcommand 4y ago
        Aren't primates at least similar to humans? We're both mammals, have similar physical characteristiscs. Why shouldn't cloning people work? I come from a law background so I am not familiar with the science. I've heard biological goods such as stem cells, eggs, spermia etc. are becoming very valuable and they are not very protected. I suppose underground groups could easily get they're hands on whatever they need. Securing illegal goods from a physician doing IVF on humans could be all they need.

by xwdv 4y ago

Wouldn’t the living artifact that results from this embryo just be horribly incompatible with life and die quickly or at best live for a brief time before expiring?

saxonww 4y ago

Possibly? I expect we'll figure out how to do this with a high chance of success within the next few decades if not sooner, unless for some reason every country capable of supporting the research bans it.

tsimionescu 4y ago
Human cloning research has similarly been banned, and quite successfully, hasn't it?
- Firmwarrior 4y ago
  What's the point in cloning people? I'm pretty clueless about biology, but as I understand it the process to generate new semi-randomized humans using a woman is fairly well understood and straightforward
  - implements 4y ago
    > What's the point in cloning people? Medical treatment (availability of 100% immune-compatible spare parts) and in a possible future, life extension.

Tozen 4y ago

I suspect we will find out at some point in the next 25 to 50 years. Somebody, somewhere, is going to give it a good try. As in not stop at just the embryo stage, but make fully functional living beings, regardless of whatever laws exist. The ramifications of "synthetic life", will sure to be staggering. This was covered a bit in the Blade Runner Sci-Fi, but what real Replicants would be like and what they will do with them, might be wilder than we could imagine.

tsimionescu 4y ago
> Somebody, somewhere, is going to give it a good try. People always say this, and yet the universal ban on human cloning has, at least so far, held strong and prevented further research more or less entirely.
- nomel 4y ago
  Primates have been cloned [1], human embryos have been cloned (supposedly) [2], and there are confirmed gene edited babies [3]. But, I doubt the existence of a ban means humans haven't been cloned, because I have trouble believing that a group that would successfully clone a human would be dumb enough to tell the world, state sponsored or not. 1. https://www.science.org/content/article/these-monkey-twins-are-first-primate-clones-made-method-developed-dolly https://www.science.org/content/article/these-monkey-twins-a... 2. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2009-02/04/content_7443166.htm http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2009-02/04/content_7443166... 3. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/08/cloning-crispr-he-jiankui-china-biotech-boom-could-transform-lives-destroy-them/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/08/cloning-crispr-he-jiank...
  - tsimionescu 4y ago
    Primates are not humans, cloning embryos for stem cell research is different from creating human clones, and the scientist who produced the two CRISPR-edited children went to jail, and he and his associates are banned for life from working in this type of research or even providing care in this area.
    - terminalcommand 4y ago
      Aren't primates at least similar to humans? We're both mammals, have similar physical characteristiscs. Why shouldn't cloning people work? I come from a law background so I am not familiar with the science. I've heard biological goods such as stem cells, eggs, spermia etc. are becoming very valuable and they are not very protected. I suppose underground groups could easily get they're hands on whatever they need. Securing illegal goods from a physician doing IVF on humans could be all they need.