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Off the top of my head: Ghost of Kiev, Snake Island martyrs, Zelensky "I don't need a ride" line, Azovstal "heroes" evacuating, Mariupol hospital, Kramatorsk bo

Off the top of my head: Ghost of Kiev, Snake Island martyrs, Zelensky "I don't need a ride" line, Azovstal "heroes" evacuating, Mariupol hospital, Kramatorsk bomb, Putin having cancer, Ukraine bombing their own POWs, Ukraine shelling Zaporizhia nuclear power plant, old man shooting down an SU-25 with a rifle, etc. Essentially the western media just repeats everything they hear from the Ukrainian MOD. According to an American reporter, Seth Harper, who was over their reporting on the volunteer battalion, western reporters are basically given no access so they just have to repeat everything the ministry of defense tells them. This is why we've ended up with so many ridiculously false claims printed.

qsdf38100 4y ago
Ok let’s go down the list. Ghost of Kyiv, likely fake but harmless propaganda. Snake island martyrs, you mean the go fuck your self thing ? It does have been said on radio, but then it turned out the guys were still alive. Not sure if it’s propaganda or the guys having no way to communicate that they were still alive. In any case, harmless propaganda. Azovstal heroes evacuating, well they did fight heroically, I’m not sure what’s fake about their evacuation, the last of them have been captured. Mariupol hospital I don’t what it is about, Krakatorsk bomb, you mean the train station ? It’s real, you can see the photos and it’s pure war crime. Innocent civilians trying to escape… Putin having cancer has always been rumors, no official statements, and it could be true, cancer doesn’t mean instant death. Ukraine bombing their own pows and nuclear plant, is that Ukraine propaganda?? I’m confused. Old man shooting a plan with a rifle? Never heard of that one, probably not official statement, and still harmless propaganda. Ok now Russia’s turn. Ukraine being full of nazis, official statements, very harmful. Bio labs??? Official statements, 100% fake. Ukraine being a threat to Russia, official statements, 100% fake. Ukraine most corrupt nation on earth, well it’s military seems much more functional than Russia’s, not sure who’s the most corrupt in the end… Denial of torture and mass graves, etc… All in all, seems to me that Ukrainian propaganda is culprit of wishful thinking, whereas Russian propaganda is just a disgusting pile of lies and hate.
- coward-guy 4y ago
  Disclaimer: I'm pro ruZZian bot. > Snake island martyrs, you mean the go fuck your self thing ? Not quite right. Ukrainian government initially stated that 13 border guards were killed and president Zelenskyy announced that all of them will be posthumously awarded the title of Hero of Ukraine. However, all of them were alive and 19 Ukrainian salor were later released. > I’m not sure what’s fake about their evacuation, the last of them have been captured. Ukrainian government said that Azovstal heroes were evacuated (I'm not a native English speaker, as you may have guessed, but evacuation means release), but in reality they surrendered. > Mariupol hospital It is assumed that russians hit hospital w/ aviabomb. Two days before attack, russian government mentioned, that Azov batallion used hospital X as a shelter and there were no (!) patients. But then russians attacked hospital Y (looks like by mistake) and one pregnant woman died. Another pregnant woman, who appeared on photoes, after that gave controversal interview where she said that she didn't hear any bomber, hence russian media assumed that Ukrainians attacked hospital using artillery. Interview is controversal, because it confirmed: everything that russian govt/media said about hospital before was a lie. > Putin having cancer has always been rumors, no official statements, and it could be true, cancer doesn’t mean instant death. Second that. He definitely has neurological issues, but not sure about cancer. And Russia's turn. > Ukraine being full of nazis, official statements, very harmful. As far as I can see, there are more nazis in Russia. Russian propaganda always mentioned, that there was a political party (The Right Sector) and they used Nazi symbols, however on last election they didn't surpass minimal barrier. Worth adding, even before 2014, there was a famous Ukrainian chant: "Moskalyaku na gilyaku" - very offensive term towards russians (https://bazovo.ru/en/cerebral-palsy/moskalyaku-na-gilyaku-chto-oznachaet-chto-oznachaet-vyrazhenie-moskalyaku-na/ https://bazovo.ru/en/cerebral-palsy/moskalyaku-na-gilyaku-ch...). > Bio labs The funny thing w/ this bio labs is that they were created during Soviet period. The US saw them as a threat after the collapse of the USSR and therefore simply sponsored them to do NOTHING. Technically, they are still bio labs and yes, they are sponsored by US, but they are not harmful. > Ukraine most corrupt nation on earth Partially this is true. You can read about this issue from Finnish soldier perspective https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12602381 https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12602381 (Google Translate is fine) - "Some of the grants disappeared into the wrong pockets". And finally.. > Ukrainian propaganda is culprit of wishful thinking As a russian speaking, I read both media and Telegram channels, and I can see all the hatred towards russian citizens, who even DOESN'T support Putin and the War. And the biggest lie so far is stories about the sexual rape. Notable fact is that Ukrainian ombudsman Denisova was sacked for excessive lies about woman rapes. The Commissioner of the President of Ukraine for Children's Rights Daria Gerasimchuk on the Polish TV channel "Belsat" exposed fake Ukrainian propaganda about the alleged violence by the Russian military against Ukrainian children (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfUBRGUH-Kc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfUBRGUH-Kc). The Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine has not a single confirmed fact of violence so far.

qsdf38100 4y ago

Ok let’s go down the list. Ghost of Kyiv, likely fake but harmless propaganda. Snake island martyrs, you mean the go fuck your self thing ? It does have been said on radio, but then it turned out the guys were still alive. Not sure if it’s propaganda or the guys having no way to communicate that they were still alive. In any case, harmless propaganda. Azovstal heroes evacuating, well they did fight heroically, I’m not sure what’s fake about their evacuation, the last of them have been captured. Mariupol hospital I don’t what it is about, Krakatorsk bomb, you mean the train station ? It’s real, you can see the photos and it’s pure war crime. Innocent civilians trying to escape… Putin having cancer has always been rumors, no official statements, and it could be true, cancer doesn’t mean instant death. Ukraine bombing their own pows and nuclear plant, is that Ukraine propaganda?? I’m confused. Old man shooting a plan with a rifle? Never heard of that one, probably not official statement, and still harmless propaganda. Ok now Russia’s turn. Ukraine being full of nazis, official statements, very harmful. Bio labs??? Official statements, 100% fake. Ukraine being a threat to Russia, official statements, 100% fake. Ukraine most corrupt nation on earth, well it’s military seems much more functional than Russia’s, not sure who’s the most corrupt in the end… Denial of torture and mass graves, etc… All in all, seems to me that Ukrainian propaganda is culprit of wishful thinking, whereas Russian propaganda is just a disgusting pile of lies and hate.

coward-guy 4y ago
Disclaimer: I'm pro ruZZian bot. > Snake island martyrs, you mean the go fuck your self thing ? Not quite right. Ukrainian government initially stated that 13 border guards were killed and president Zelenskyy announced that all of them will be posthumously awarded the title of Hero of Ukraine. However, all of them were alive and 19 Ukrainian salor were later released. > I’m not sure what’s fake about their evacuation, the last of them have been captured. Ukrainian government said that Azovstal heroes were evacuated (I'm not a native English speaker, as you may have guessed, but evacuation means release), but in reality they surrendered. > Mariupol hospital It is assumed that russians hit hospital w/ aviabomb. Two days before attack, russian government mentioned, that Azov batallion used hospital X as a shelter and there were no (!) patients. But then russians attacked hospital Y (looks like by mistake) and one pregnant woman died. Another pregnant woman, who appeared on photoes, after that gave controversal interview where she said that she didn't hear any bomber, hence russian media assumed that Ukrainians attacked hospital using artillery. Interview is controversal, because it confirmed: everything that russian govt/media said about hospital before was a lie. > Putin having cancer has always been rumors, no official statements, and it could be true, cancer doesn’t mean instant death. Second that. He definitely has neurological issues, but not sure about cancer. And Russia's turn. > Ukraine being full of nazis, official statements, very harmful. As far as I can see, there are more nazis in Russia. Russian propaganda always mentioned, that there was a political party (The Right Sector) and they used Nazi symbols, however on last election they didn't surpass minimal barrier. Worth adding, even before 2014, there was a famous Ukrainian chant: "Moskalyaku na gilyaku" - very offensive term towards russians (https://bazovo.ru/en/cerebral-palsy/moskalyaku-na-gilyaku-chto-oznachaet-chto-oznachaet-vyrazhenie-moskalyaku-na/ https://bazovo.ru/en/cerebral-palsy/moskalyaku-na-gilyaku-ch...). > Bio labs The funny thing w/ this bio labs is that they were created during Soviet period. The US saw them as a threat after the collapse of the USSR and therefore simply sponsored them to do NOTHING. Technically, they are still bio labs and yes, they are sponsored by US, but they are not harmful. > Ukraine most corrupt nation on earth Partially this is true. You can read about this issue from Finnish soldier perspective https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12602381 https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12602381 (Google Translate is fine) - "Some of the grants disappeared into the wrong pockets". And finally.. > Ukrainian propaganda is culprit of wishful thinking As a russian speaking, I read both media and Telegram channels, and I can see all the hatred towards russian citizens, who even DOESN'T support Putin and the War. And the biggest lie so far is stories about the sexual rape. Notable fact is that Ukrainian ombudsman Denisova was sacked for excessive lies about woman rapes. The Commissioner of the President of Ukraine for Children's Rights Daria Gerasimchuk on the Polish TV channel "Belsat" exposed fake Ukrainian propaganda about the alleged violence by the Russian military against Ukrainian children (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfUBRGUH-Kc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfUBRGUH-Kc). The Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine has not a single confirmed fact of violence so far.