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I think this announcement can be summarized as this from the CEO/Owner's perspective(especially after watching GNs video) - why am I dealing with this crap? It

I think this announcement can be summarized as this from the CEO/Owner's perspective(especially after watching GNs video) - why am I dealing with this crap? Its taking from my time that I could've spent on my family! - And we aren't making much profit at all! - I don't know people that make products and manage the company like me - Life is about people, and I wouldn't betray anyone, so I will keep paying the people that kept my company running - AMD and Intel probably do the same crap, I don't want to do it again. - PSUs are doing fine

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- russelg 4y ago
  Intel Arc sure, but I haven't experienced any issues with my 580, or my 6700 XT, nor have I heard of any widespread instability.
  - frognumber 4y ago
    Your 580 no longer supports ML: https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm/issues/1373 https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm/issues/1373 If it did, it would only do so headless: https://docs.amd.com/bundle/Hardware_and_Software_Reference_Guide/page/Hardware_and_Software_Support.html https://docs.amd.com/bundle/Hardware_and_Software_Reference_... If you tried to run it with a monitor, it would appear to work, and then your system would become very unstable and crash hard. I hope that helps!
- TimeBearingDown 4y ago
  This idea that AMD GPUs don’t work is absolutely ludicrous, and you’ve said it at least twice now. Go ahead and back up your claim, if you don’t mind.
  - frognumber 4y ago
    Here's my short history with AMD GPUs: - Buy an AMD GPU labeled for ROCm during the Great GPU Shortage - 6-9 months later, learn AMD discontinues ROCm support for that GPU. When I suggest this might be a false advertising or warranty issue, AMD and vendor both point to each other - Install an old version of ROCm to get work done - See odd crashes where my system goes down hard for no reason - Read more documentation, and learn ROCm only works headless - Find ROCm runs more slowly on my workloads than CPU - Find most of the libraries I want to use don't work with ROCm in the first place, but require NVidia - At that point, I bought NVidia, and everything Just Works. That's a shortened version. I'd take a 5x speed hit for open source, but I won't take 'not working.' This story is super-common.
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    - cmeacham98 4y ago
      Look, this is an unfortunate experience, but I'm going to give you a wake up call: ML support has literally zero relevance in consumer GPU trends. The idea that EVGA would make this the reason they don't work with AMD is laughable. This would be like me claiming that NVIDIA's subpar Linux support is why Sapphire only works with AMD.
      - frognumber 4y ago
        ML, no, although that will change with tools like Stable Diffusion. GPGPU, definitely.
    - 9935c101ab17a66 4y ago
      I really, really don't think this scenario is super common. Shitty, yes, definitely. But super common? Definitely not. You're talking about running GPGPU workloads on a budget, consumer-grade GPU that had a ~5-6 year old chipset when you purchased it. Yah, you can find other people complaining if you Google it, but realistically, how many people do you think this affected? It sounds like Nvidia was a much better option for you from the start, and I'm surprised anyone purchased a Polaris 10 AMD GPU for GPGPU in 2020. Conversely, I've had an RX580 that I purchased shortly after launch, and I've had zero issues with it. I've used it in a normal PC, a self-built Hackintosh and an eGPU enclosure that I use with my 2016 MBP in both Windows and macOS.
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russelg 4y ago
Intel Arc sure, but I haven't experienced any issues with my 580, or my 6700 XT, nor have I heard of any widespread instability.
- frognumber 4y ago
  Your 580 no longer supports ML: https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm/issues/1373 https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm/issues/1373 If it did, it would only do so headless: https://docs.amd.com/bundle/Hardware_and_Software_Reference_Guide/page/Hardware_and_Software_Support.html https://docs.amd.com/bundle/Hardware_and_Software_Reference_... If you tried to run it with a monitor, it would appear to work, and then your system would become very unstable and crash hard. I hope that helps!
TimeBearingDown 4y ago
This idea that AMD GPUs don’t work is absolutely ludicrous, and you’ve said it at least twice now. Go ahead and back up your claim, if you don’t mind.
- frognumber 4y ago
  Here's my short history with AMD GPUs: - Buy an AMD GPU labeled for ROCm during the Great GPU Shortage - 6-9 months later, learn AMD discontinues ROCm support for that GPU. When I suggest this might be a false advertising or warranty issue, AMD and vendor both point to each other - Install an old version of ROCm to get work done - See odd crashes where my system goes down hard for no reason - Read more documentation, and learn ROCm only works headless - Find ROCm runs more slowly on my workloads than CPU - Find most of the libraries I want to use don't work with ROCm in the first place, but require NVidia - At that point, I bought NVidia, and everything Just Works. That's a shortened version. I'd take a 5x speed hit for open source, but I won't take 'not working.' This story is super-common.
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  - cmeacham98 4y ago
    Look, this is an unfortunate experience, but I'm going to give you a wake up call: ML support has literally zero relevance in consumer GPU trends. The idea that EVGA would make this the reason they don't work with AMD is laughable. This would be like me claiming that NVIDIA's subpar Linux support is why Sapphire only works with AMD.
    - frognumber 4y ago
      ML, no, although that will change with tools like Stable Diffusion. GPGPU, definitely.
  - 9935c101ab17a66 4y ago
    I really, really don't think this scenario is super common. Shitty, yes, definitely. But super common? Definitely not. You're talking about running GPGPU workloads on a budget, consumer-grade GPU that had a ~5-6 year old chipset when you purchased it. Yah, you can find other people complaining if you Google it, but realistically, how many people do you think this affected? It sounds like Nvidia was a much better option for you from the start, and I'm surprised anyone purchased a Polaris 10 AMD GPU for GPGPU in 2020. Conversely, I've had an RX580 that I purchased shortly after launch, and I've had zero issues with it. I've used it in a normal PC, a self-built Hackintosh and an eGPU enclosure that I use with my 2016 MBP in both Windows and macOS.

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