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I watched the video. Seems like nvidia's CEO wants to go the apple route and sell everything themselves. I do wonder about EVGA's decision. Why call gamersnexu

I watched the video. Seems like nvidia's CEO wants to go the apple route and sell everything themselves. I do wonder about EVGA's decision. Why call gamersnexus in for an interview? It seems to me this is part of a strategy to get intel and AMD tripping over their dicks to get EVGA working on their GPUs - and get one/both of them to agree to conditions nvidia wouldn't. I think its a smart business move if nvidia has laid their cards on the table so clearly. Reminds me of how valve went all-in on linux development when microsoft threatened their whole business with windows 10.

lostmsu 4y ago
That would work if their reference 3090s were not notoriously hitting 110C on the memory junction with any significant memory load, spinning fans to the volume of Concorde flying cruise speed. Other manufacturers actually had that problem covered.
- moffkalast 4y ago
  I do not understand how Nvidia thinks putting ONE tiny fan on something that draws 200 watts is a sane decision. Back in the day they were even using centrifugal fans just to add a few extra decibels.
  - lostmsu 4y ago
    I wish they were that good! The card is actually 350W. I run mine with power limit 250W. Fortunately the slowdown of minGPT training is only ~3% with this setup.
    - xxs 4y ago
      >Fortunately the slowdown of minGPT training is only ~3% with this setup. The cards are run at a very unfavorable part of Freq/Voltage curve. Increasing freq. (performance) effectively scales the power in a cubic manner.
      - lostmsu 4y ago
        To be pedantic 1.03 * 3 is ~1.093, which is much less than 1.4 = 350/250, so the behavior is still quite surprising.
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    There's 2 fans, one on each side.
    - moffkalast 4y ago
      Not on most of the cards they make. I was talking in more general terms, every large format GPU should have 2-3 large ass fans so it can run quieter with them running at low rpm instead of one screaming its bearings off. Given that the 3090 has 2 of them makes me think it would probably actually melt or explode with just one, they wouldn't give you an extra 2 dollars worth of fans on a $2k product for free you know.
      - GekkePrutser 4y ago
        I think there's a bit of prejudice going on in this thread based on experiences in the past. The earlier FEs with 1-fan design at the end were indeed not great but the current gen is very nice. I have the 3080TI FE and it's a really solid card. Very well made, strong metal case. Nowhere is there any exposed board (ESD risks!) except for the obviously necessary PCI header. Fans run fine and are not too noisy and it doesn't overheat. My last card was an MSI 1080Ti beast and it was just a poor design. Yeah it was a bit quieter but physically and mechanically it wasn't as well designed as this by far. It seemed to have been designed much more for looks than performance.
  - NavinF 4y ago
    You're replying to a comment about the 3090. I'm not aware of any single-fan 3090s.
unicornmama 4y ago
As a consumer I would prefer it. If all they did was narrow selection it would be a win. An online search for 3080 RTX yields more brand flavors than a toothpaste aisle. Except consumers can understand toothpaste flavors. No idea why we need dozens of otherwise indistinguishable video card variations.
- addaon 4y ago
  > Except consumers can understand toothpaste flavors. Can we? Here's the currently available US flavors / varieties of ONE brand, Colgate: Advanced White Charcoal Toothpaste Advanced White Toothpaste Anti-Tartar + Whitening Toothpaste Cavity Protection Toothpaste Charcoal Natural Extracts Charcoal Toothpaste Colgate Baby Toothpaste 0-2 years Colgate Kids Magic Toothpaste 6-9 years Colgate Kids Toothpaste 3-5 years Cool Stripe Toothpaste Deep Clean With Baking Soda Toothpaste Elixir Cool Detox Toothpaste Elixir Gum Booster Toothpaste Elixir White Restore Toothpaste Gum Invigorate Detox Toothpaste Gum Invigorate Toothpaste Max Fresh Cooling Crystals Toothpaste Max White & Protect Whitening Toothpaste Max White Charcoal Whitening Toothpaste Max White Crystals Whitening Toothpaste Max White Expert Anti-Stain Whitening Toothpaste Max White Expert Complete Whitening Toothpaste Max White Expert Original Whitening Toothpaste Max White Expert Shine Glossy Mint Whitening Toothpaste Max White Extra Care Enamel Protect Whitening Toothpaste Max White Extra Care Sensitive Protect Whitening Toothpaste Max White Luminous Whitening Toothpaste Max White One Whitening Toothpaste Max White Optic Whitening Toothpaste Max White Sparkle Diamonds Whitening Toothpaste Max White Ultimate Catalyst Whitening Toothpaste Max White Ultimate Renewal Whitening Toothpaste Max White Ultra Active Foam Toothpaste Max White Ultra Freshness Pearls Toothpaste Maximum Cavity Protection 3+ Kids' Toothpaste Maximum Cavity Protection Fresh Mint Toothpaste Maximum Cavity Protection Toothpaste Nature IQ Enamel Repair Toothpaste PerioGard Gum Protection + Sensitive Toothpaste PerioGard Gum Protection Toothpaste Sensitive Instant Relief Enamel Repair Sensitive Instant Relief Enamel Repair Toothpaste Sensitive Instant Relief Multiprotection Sensitive Instant Relief Repair & Prevent Sensitive Instant Relief Whitening Sensitive Sensifoam Multi Protection Toothpaste Sensitive With Sensifoam Toothpaste Total Active Fresh Toothpaste Total Advanced Clean Gel Toothpaste Total Advanced Deep Clean Toothpaste Total Advanced Enamel Health Toothpaste Total Advanced Gum Care Total Advanced Pure Breath Toothpaste Total Advanced Sensitive Care Total Original Toothpaste Total Plaque Protection Toothpaste Total Visible Proof Toothpaste Total Whitening Toothpaste Triple Action Original Mint Toothpaste I'm an adult male. My dentist has not informed me of any particular concerns. I wouldn't mind my teeth being a bit whiter. Which of these am I supposed to buy? Or am I supposed to buy a product from one of the other brands of the same manufacturer... Elmex, Meridol, several others, each of which has their own outrageously long lineups. Or look at a different manufacturer?
matthewfcarlson 4y ago
I do feel like Nvidia is the only one with the right mix of market muscle, knowhow, and patents/licenses to pull of an ARM based competitor to Apple's products. AMD is doing some great things but can you imagine an M1 level product that sips power like a champ but has the graphical muscle of a proper 3070? The M1 Ultra is decent, but just doesn't compare to a proper dedicated GPU (on blender benchmark, the desktop M1 ultra seems to perform slightly below a laptop 3050).
- moffkalast 4y ago
  With all that, and they still can't make a cooling setup for their cards worth a damn. I'm still waiting for a Noctua GPU partnership.
  - ztjio 4y ago
    You mean like this? https://noctua.at/en/asus-and-noctua-announce-asus-geforce-rtx-3080-noctua-edition-graphics-card https://noctua.at/en/asus-and-noctua-announce-asus-geforce-r...
    - moffkalast 4y ago
      Oh yes!
  - jnwatson 4y ago
    They should just bite the bullet and require water cooling. I have a 2080ti in a custom loop and it is almost silent.
- AshamedCaptain 4y ago
  nvidia has already released the best arm chips they could (tegra) years ago. They all were so crappy they were part of the reason I never believed apple would go arm.
- duped 4y ago
  They don't have the board design chops to do it. They need the partners because they can't build enough PCBs to keep up with the number of chips they make.
0x457 4y ago
I think what Nvidia wanted is bully all of their AIBs until one of them breaks and sell to Nvidia. > It seems to me this is part of a strategy to get intel and AMD tripping over their dicks to get EVGA working on their GPUs To doubt, margins are slim on GPUs. Intel & AMD have enough infrastructure to not need AIBs.
- madeofpalk 4y ago
  Nvidia makes the chip regardless. Surely they make more money if they sell the whole thing to customers themselves?
  - noncoml 4y ago
    In the video, there is a quote by Nvidia CEO complaining about AIBs making all the money when they(Nvidia) do all the work
    - GekkePrutser 4y ago
      Weird. I currently have a FE (3080Ti) and I would take this card over an AIB any day. Much cleaner design without all the screaming gaudy plastic panels and RGB lights. No heat pipes sticking out the sides. The problem is the limited availability. They just don't want to sell a lot of them, sadly.
      - zargon 4y ago
        If you enjoy jet engines in your office, certainly buy a founders edition.
        thulle 4y ago
        Yeah, I'd much rather have some screaming plastic in a case where it can't be seen than a screaming fan that's heard in the next room.
        GekkePrutser 4y ago
yyyk 4y ago
>It seems to me this is part of a strategy to get intel and AMD This announcement weakens EVGA's leverage since now EVGA doesn't have the NVidia option. Also, if EVGA were willing to work with Intel, Intel would have jumped on it. Intel has a lot to gain from EVGA - EVGA could give Intel some credibility in the discrete graphics market that Intel doesn't have. Most likely EVGA actually wants to be out of the game?
- teruakohatu 4y ago
  Maybe EVGA does not want thr brnad associated with low or mid-tier components. One day Intel will have a flagship GPU, but today is not the day.
  - 0xy 4y ago
    Almost nobody buys a 3090. A huge, huge portion of the market is fought in the mid-tier. The 2060 was the most popular 20-series card, if memory serves. AMD and Intel can compete in the mid-tier.
smileybarry 4y ago
I’m guessing they had multiple outlets call to interview, and Gamers Nexus are one of the more trustworthy ones out there. Probably just chose them for the best coverage of their departure.

lostmsu 4y ago

That would work if their reference 3090s were not notoriously hitting 110C on the memory junction with any significant memory load, spinning fans to the volume of Concorde flying cruise speed. Other manufacturers actually had that problem covered.

moffkalast 4y ago
I do not understand how Nvidia thinks putting ONE tiny fan on something that draws 200 watts is a sane decision. Back in the day they were even using centrifugal fans just to add a few extra decibels.
- lostmsu 4y ago
  I wish they were that good! The card is actually 350W. I run mine with power limit 250W. Fortunately the slowdown of minGPT training is only ~3% with this setup.
  - xxs 4y ago
    >Fortunately the slowdown of minGPT training is only ~3% with this setup. The cards are run at a very unfavorable part of Freq/Voltage curve. Increasing freq. (performance) effectively scales the power in a cubic manner.
    - lostmsu 4y ago
      To be pedantic 1.03 * 3 is ~1.093, which is much less than 1.4 = 350/250, so the behavior is still quite surprising.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  There's 2 fans, one on each side.
  - moffkalast 4y ago
    Not on most of the cards they make. I was talking in more general terms, every large format GPU should have 2-3 large ass fans so it can run quieter with them running at low rpm instead of one screaming its bearings off. Given that the 3090 has 2 of them makes me think it would probably actually melt or explode with just one, they wouldn't give you an extra 2 dollars worth of fans on a $2k product for free you know.
    - GekkePrutser 4y ago
      I think there's a bit of prejudice going on in this thread based on experiences in the past. The earlier FEs with 1-fan design at the end were indeed not great but the current gen is very nice. I have the 3080TI FE and it's a really solid card. Very well made, strong metal case. Nowhere is there any exposed board (ESD risks!) except for the obviously necessary PCI header. Fans run fine and are not too noisy and it doesn't overheat. My last card was an MSI 1080Ti beast and it was just a poor design. Yeah it was a bit quieter but physically and mechanically it wasn't as well designed as this by far. It seemed to have been designed much more for looks than performance.
- NavinF 4y ago
  You're replying to a comment about the 3090. I'm not aware of any single-fan 3090s.

unicornmama 4y ago

As a consumer I would prefer it. If all they did was narrow selection it would be a win. An online search for 3080 RTX yields more brand flavors than a toothpaste aisle. Except consumers can understand toothpaste flavors. No idea why we need dozens of otherwise indistinguishable video card variations.

addaon 4y ago
> Except consumers can understand toothpaste flavors. Can we? Here's the currently available US flavors / varieties of ONE brand, Colgate: Advanced White Charcoal Toothpaste Advanced White Toothpaste Anti-Tartar + Whitening Toothpaste Cavity Protection Toothpaste Charcoal Natural Extracts Charcoal Toothpaste Colgate Baby Toothpaste 0-2 years Colgate Kids Magic Toothpaste 6-9 years Colgate Kids Toothpaste 3-5 years Cool Stripe Toothpaste Deep Clean With Baking Soda Toothpaste Elixir Cool Detox Toothpaste Elixir Gum Booster Toothpaste Elixir White Restore Toothpaste Gum Invigorate Detox Toothpaste Gum Invigorate Toothpaste Max Fresh Cooling Crystals Toothpaste Max White & Protect Whitening Toothpaste Max White Charcoal Whitening Toothpaste Max White Crystals Whitening Toothpaste Max White Expert Anti-Stain Whitening Toothpaste Max White Expert Complete Whitening Toothpaste Max White Expert Original Whitening Toothpaste Max White Expert Shine Glossy Mint Whitening Toothpaste Max White Extra Care Enamel Protect Whitening Toothpaste Max White Extra Care Sensitive Protect Whitening Toothpaste Max White Luminous Whitening Toothpaste Max White One Whitening Toothpaste Max White Optic Whitening Toothpaste Max White Sparkle Diamonds Whitening Toothpaste Max White Ultimate Catalyst Whitening Toothpaste Max White Ultimate Renewal Whitening Toothpaste Max White Ultra Active Foam Toothpaste Max White Ultra Freshness Pearls Toothpaste Maximum Cavity Protection 3+ Kids' Toothpaste Maximum Cavity Protection Fresh Mint Toothpaste Maximum Cavity Protection Toothpaste Nature IQ Enamel Repair Toothpaste PerioGard Gum Protection + Sensitive Toothpaste PerioGard Gum Protection Toothpaste Sensitive Instant Relief Enamel Repair Sensitive Instant Relief Enamel Repair Toothpaste Sensitive Instant Relief Multiprotection Sensitive Instant Relief Repair & Prevent Sensitive Instant Relief Whitening Sensitive Sensifoam Multi Protection Toothpaste Sensitive With Sensifoam Toothpaste Total Active Fresh Toothpaste Total Advanced Clean Gel Toothpaste Total Advanced Deep Clean Toothpaste Total Advanced Enamel Health Toothpaste Total Advanced Gum Care Total Advanced Pure Breath Toothpaste Total Advanced Sensitive Care Total Original Toothpaste Total Plaque Protection Toothpaste Total Visible Proof Toothpaste Total Whitening Toothpaste Triple Action Original Mint Toothpaste I'm an adult male. My dentist has not informed me of any particular concerns. I wouldn't mind my teeth being a bit whiter. Which of these am I supposed to buy? Or am I supposed to buy a product from one of the other brands of the same manufacturer... Elmex, Meridol, several others, each of which has their own outrageously long lineups. Or look at a different manufacturer?

matthewfcarlson 4y ago

I do feel like Nvidia is the only one with the right mix of market muscle, knowhow, and patents/licenses to pull of an ARM based competitor to Apple's products. AMD is doing some great things but can you imagine an M1 level product that sips power like a champ but has the graphical muscle of a proper 3070? The M1 Ultra is decent, but just doesn't compare to a proper dedicated GPU (on blender benchmark, the desktop M1 ultra seems to perform slightly below a laptop 3050).

moffkalast 4y ago
With all that, and they still can't make a cooling setup for their cards worth a damn. I'm still waiting for a Noctua GPU partnership.
- ztjio 4y ago
  You mean like this? https://noctua.at/en/asus-and-noctua-announce-asus-geforce-rtx-3080-noctua-edition-graphics-card https://noctua.at/en/asus-and-noctua-announce-asus-geforce-r...
  - moffkalast 4y ago
    Oh yes!
- jnwatson 4y ago
  They should just bite the bullet and require water cooling. I have a 2080ti in a custom loop and it is almost silent.
AshamedCaptain 4y ago
nvidia has already released the best arm chips they could (tegra) years ago. They all were so crappy they were part of the reason I never believed apple would go arm.
duped 4y ago
They don't have the board design chops to do it. They need the partners because they can't build enough PCBs to keep up with the number of chips they make.

0x457 4y ago

I think what Nvidia wanted is bully all of their AIBs until one of them breaks and sell to Nvidia. > It seems to me this is part of a strategy to get intel and AMD tripping over their dicks to get EVGA working on their GPUs To doubt, margins are slim on GPUs. Intel & AMD have enough infrastructure to not need AIBs.

madeofpalk 4y ago
Nvidia makes the chip regardless. Surely they make more money if they sell the whole thing to customers themselves?
- noncoml 4y ago
  In the video, there is a quote by Nvidia CEO complaining about AIBs making all the money when they(Nvidia) do all the work
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    Weird. I currently have a FE (3080Ti) and I would take this card over an AIB any day. Much cleaner design without all the screaming gaudy plastic panels and RGB lights. No heat pipes sticking out the sides. The problem is the limited availability. They just don't want to sell a lot of them, sadly.
    - zargon 4y ago
      If you enjoy jet engines in your office, certainly buy a founders edition.
      - thulle 4y ago
        Yeah, I'd much rather have some screaming plastic in a case where it can't be seen than a screaming fan that's heard in the next room.
      - GekkePrutser 4y ago

yyyk 4y ago

>It seems to me this is part of a strategy to get intel and AMD This announcement weakens EVGA's leverage since now EVGA doesn't have the NVidia option. Also, if EVGA were willing to work with Intel, Intel would have jumped on it. Intel has a lot to gain from EVGA - EVGA could give Intel some credibility in the discrete graphics market that Intel doesn't have. Most likely EVGA actually wants to be out of the game?

teruakohatu 4y ago
Maybe EVGA does not want thr brnad associated with low or mid-tier components. One day Intel will have a flagship GPU, but today is not the day.
- 0xy 4y ago
  Almost nobody buys a 3090. A huge, huge portion of the market is fought in the mid-tier. The 2060 was the most popular 20-series card, if memory serves. AMD and Intel can compete in the mid-tier.

smileybarry 4y ago

I’m guessing they had multiple outlets call to interview, and Gamers Nexus are one of the more trustworthy ones out there. Probably just chose them for the best coverage of their departure.