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85% of the people in the redlined neighborhoods were white. That was around of half of all urban households. Why didn't redlining lead to the same cycle of pove

85% of the people in the redlined neighborhoods were white. That was around of half of all urban households. Why didn't redlining lead to the same cycle of poverty and violence for white people?

tptacek 4y ago
Because they moved to neighborhoods where they were allowed to get fucking home loans and open businesses.
- rufus_foreman 4y ago
  The majority of people who currently live in the redlined neighborhoods are white. Why didn't redlining lead to the same cycle of poverty and violence for those white people?
  - tptacek 4y ago
    What the hell are you talking about? The neighborhoods we're talking about are overwhelmingly Black. You can't have set foot on the south or west sides of Chicago and not know that.
    - rufus_foreman 4y ago
      31.8% of the redlined neighborhoods in Chicago are currently black. The north side was redlined too. Lincoln Park was redlined. Gold Coast was redlined. Old Town was redlined. Wicker Park was redlined.
      - tptacek 4y ago
        Oh, for fuck's sake. Wicker Park was redlined. Then it was gentrified. Everything on the North Side has been gentrified. You know what wasn't gentrified? West Garfield Park. Miss me with whatever weird next comment you've got locked and loaded about "well why wasn't Garfield Park gentrified". The redlined neighborhoods on the north side also weren't black (Lincoln Park was Puerto Rican). People have written books about how the gentrification of the north side happened; you can consult them.
        rufus_foreman 4y ago
        The north side was completely white when the redlining maps were made. That was late 1930's, the black population of Chicago even by 1940 was only 8%, almost exclusively on the south side east of State Street. The west side was also almost exclusively white then too, there were a couple of black neighborhoods (not West Garfield Park at that time). In the 1930's there weren't many Puerto Ricans in Chicago, the ones that were there lived on the south side. They didn't start coming in numbers until the late 1940's, they moved into Lincoln Park in the 1960's. So, Wicker Park was white when it was redlined, Lincoln Park was white when it was redlined, West Garfield Park was white when it was redlined.

85% of the people in the redlined neighborhoods were white. That was around of half of all urban households. Why didn't redlining lead to the same cycle of poverty and violence for white people?

tptacek 4y ago

Because they moved to neighborhoods where they were allowed to get fucking home loans and open businesses.

rufus_foreman 4y ago
The majority of people who currently live in the redlined neighborhoods are white. Why didn't redlining lead to the same cycle of poverty and violence for those white people?
- tptacek 4y ago
  What the hell are you talking about? The neighborhoods we're talking about are overwhelmingly Black. You can't have set foot on the south or west sides of Chicago and not know that.
  - rufus_foreman 4y ago
    31.8% of the redlined neighborhoods in Chicago are currently black. The north side was redlined too. Lincoln Park was redlined. Gold Coast was redlined. Old Town was redlined. Wicker Park was redlined.
    - tptacek 4y ago
      Oh, for fuck's sake. Wicker Park was redlined. Then it was gentrified. Everything on the North Side has been gentrified. You know what wasn't gentrified? West Garfield Park. Miss me with whatever weird next comment you've got locked and loaded about "well why wasn't Garfield Park gentrified". The redlined neighborhoods on the north side also weren't black (Lincoln Park was Puerto Rican). People have written books about how the gentrification of the north side happened; you can consult them.
      - rufus_foreman 4y ago
        The north side was completely white when the redlining maps were made. That was late 1930's, the black population of Chicago even by 1940 was only 8%, almost exclusively on the south side east of State Street. The west side was also almost exclusively white then too, there were a couple of black neighborhoods (not West Garfield Park at that time). In the 1930's there weren't many Puerto Ricans in Chicago, the ones that were there lived on the south side. They didn't start coming in numbers until the late 1940's, they moved into Lincoln Park in the 1960's. So, Wicker Park was white when it was redlined, Lincoln Park was white when it was redlined, West Garfield Park was white when it was redlined.