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> These guys are already making shadow profiles out of info given by friends, corporations, etc. True, it's a shady practice indeed, but signing up and giving

> These guys are already making shadow profiles out of info given by friends, corporations, etc. True, it's a shady practice indeed, but signing up and giving them even more information directly from the source is obviously far worse than the fraction of signals they can extract from your friends. > Not participating is also causing red flags in certain circles. There's no accounting for the peculiarities of social groups, you could say the same thing about refusing to smoke weed or drink alcohol, it doesn't mean those vices are vital, and social media is no different.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
I don't think you fully grasp what the slope is sliding to. There are enough token anecdotes of companies doing background checks on social media, and will actively flag individuals for having zero presence. We also have social credit score horror stories. Your answer doesn't work anymore when lack of participation is considered wrong. We should be blocking that instead of assuming things will just work out forever as long as individuals guard their identity. Again, this goes beyond just standing up against peer pressure.
- root_axis 4y ago
  > There are enough token anecdotes of companies doing background checks on social media, and will actively flag individuals for having zero presence. I'm sure it happens, but I don't believe that to be a real issue since using the presence of a social media account as a filtering tool for hiring is obviously ridiculous, and as someone who has done a lot of hiring, it's completely absurd to imagine we'd ever turn away a good candidate because their name didn't hit on a social media search, especially because it's very common for people to use nicknames or false names on social media or to completely remove their account from search altogether. I also don't see the peer pressure thing as an issue. Adults don't meaningfully peer pressure other adults to use social media, nobody cares, and kids will peer pressure for everything from video games to sex and drugs, but it's pretty obvious that being peer pressured to do drugs isn't a valid reason to use drugs.
  - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
    I'm not sure why you circle back to peer pressure when we agree it isn't an issue. Are you reading past the comments? >it's completely absurd to imagine we'd ever turn away a good candidate because their name didn't hit on a social media search, Understand for a moment many of these people are not developers with well-established CVs. These are normal people working the bottom of the ladder where there are plenty of replacements, and the answer to being irreplaceable is effectively 'start becoming a prodigy, establish a network early or be lucky'. Often too late for them. Even that advice alone is insane for the yet-to-be-born given a virtually global mental health crisis. Leaving things up to executives behaving in a sane manner has given us multiple global problems to deal with. I wouldn't count on their sanity to prevent another.
    - root_axis 4y ago
      > I'm not sure why you circle back to peer pressure when we agree it isn't an issue. You're the one bringing it up. You've mentioned peer pressure in all of your replies. > Understand for a moment many of these people are not developers with well-established CVs It doesn't matter the industry or the CV, the idea that the absence of a social media account factors into hiring decisions in any real way doesn't make sense.
      - jasonm23 4y ago
        I think there was a remote possibility of it being an issue 6 or 7 years ago. Since then the problems with Social Media. People preferring not to participate, has become such a trend that it is extremely unlikely to be a hiring issue these days. However, in *some* corners of corporate HR, it's certainly been part of their scoring, at the peak of Facebook's popularity.
  - swayvil 4y ago
    You haven't thought about peer pressure enough. It's got depths. "You must do this thing" evolves into "you must support this thing" and then into "absence of support is equivalent to nonsupport (antisupport... whatever)". And in social media this evolution is fast.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago

I don't think you fully grasp what the slope is sliding to. There are enough token anecdotes of companies doing background checks on social media, and will actively flag individuals for having zero presence. We also have social credit score horror stories. Your answer doesn't work anymore when lack of participation is considered wrong. We should be blocking that instead of assuming things will just work out forever as long as individuals guard their identity. Again, this goes beyond just standing up against peer pressure.

root_axis 4y ago
> There are enough token anecdotes of companies doing background checks on social media, and will actively flag individuals for having zero presence. I'm sure it happens, but I don't believe that to be a real issue since using the presence of a social media account as a filtering tool for hiring is obviously ridiculous, and as someone who has done a lot of hiring, it's completely absurd to imagine we'd ever turn away a good candidate because their name didn't hit on a social media search, especially because it's very common for people to use nicknames or false names on social media or to completely remove their account from search altogether. I also don't see the peer pressure thing as an issue. Adults don't meaningfully peer pressure other adults to use social media, nobody cares, and kids will peer pressure for everything from video games to sex and drugs, but it's pretty obvious that being peer pressured to do drugs isn't a valid reason to use drugs.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  I'm not sure why you circle back to peer pressure when we agree it isn't an issue. Are you reading past the comments? >it's completely absurd to imagine we'd ever turn away a good candidate because their name didn't hit on a social media search, Understand for a moment many of these people are not developers with well-established CVs. These are normal people working the bottom of the ladder where there are plenty of replacements, and the answer to being irreplaceable is effectively 'start becoming a prodigy, establish a network early or be lucky'. Often too late for them. Even that advice alone is insane for the yet-to-be-born given a virtually global mental health crisis. Leaving things up to executives behaving in a sane manner has given us multiple global problems to deal with. I wouldn't count on their sanity to prevent another.
  - root_axis 4y ago
    > I'm not sure why you circle back to peer pressure when we agree it isn't an issue. You're the one bringing it up. You've mentioned peer pressure in all of your replies. > Understand for a moment many of these people are not developers with well-established CVs It doesn't matter the industry or the CV, the idea that the absence of a social media account factors into hiring decisions in any real way doesn't make sense.
    - jasonm23 4y ago
      I think there was a remote possibility of it being an issue 6 or 7 years ago. Since then the problems with Social Media. People preferring not to participate, has become such a trend that it is extremely unlikely to be a hiring issue these days. However, in *some* corners of corporate HR, it's certainly been part of their scoring, at the peak of Facebook's popularity.
- swayvil 4y ago
  You haven't thought about peer pressure enough. It's got depths. "You must do this thing" evolves into "you must support this thing" and then into "absence of support is equivalent to nonsupport (antisupport... whatever)". And in social media this evolution is fast.