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Why is this being flagged? Legitimate question. I'm pretty surprised that the CEO said this. I'm curious what the actual impact of this is.

socialismisok 4y ago
I flagged it because it's political hot air. One can be suspicious of Twilio and want to know more about what Jeff meant without (as my Aussie friends say) "chucking a wobbly".
- kergonath 4y ago
  I am very suspicious of people who say everyone need to just chill out and ignore a fundamental issue that they personally do not deem fundamental enough. Further comments would be useful indeed, but the document is explicit enough as is.
  - socialismisok 4y ago
    What actions did Twilio take, specifically, that you can glean from the expression "with an antiracist lens". That could be anything from "fire white folks" to execs sitting in chairs saying, "this is anti racist, right?" Whole doing nothing different so they can pat themselves on the back. Unless you think the very concept of antiracism is a problem.
    - ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
      Why does Twilio need to perform it's layoffs "with an antiracist lens"?
      - socialismisok 4y ago
        Being aware of historical iniquities and looking for places where you are continuing them. It's about acting with intentionality - criticizing yourself and applying multiple perspectives.
        ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
        So being racist but in a nice way.
        socialismisok 4y ago
        Can you explain?
        jericho_jones 4y ago
        socialismisok 4y ago
        I'm genuinely not. I don't have evidence that Twilio fired anyone based on race. They said something that could possibly imply that, but there's also the possibility they just said something stupid. All I'm asking for is a single tangible piece of evidence. That bar hasn't changed, it's not arguing in bad faith to say, "please provide some evidence beyond one snippet from one rushed press release" and then hold that bar in the face of folks who cannot do so.
    - kergonath 4y ago
      > What actions did Twilio take, specifically, that you can glean from the expression "with an antiracist lens". It’s a dog whistle. You might be familiar with the concept, it is commonly used these days. Like when we rightly reject the hypocrisy of “all lives matter” when uttered by a white supremacist. Again, this might well be nothing, in which case clarifications would help. > Unless you think the very concept of antiracism is a problem. When anti-racism is just racism with a different target, yes, we have a problem.
      - socialismisok 4y ago
        Was that the case here? Was antiracism racism in Twilio's layoffs? If you have evidence of this, then I'm happy to concede.
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- colpabar 4y ago
  Was that before or after you replied to your own comment complaining about being downvoted?
telotortium 4y ago
I vouched because (a) it concerns an important public policy question of direct relevance to the audience of this website, and (b) I learned the EEOC provides guidance on how to do layoffs that might result in disparate impact, guidance that Twilio didn't take at all.

socialismisok 4y ago

I flagged it because it's political hot air. One can be suspicious of Twilio and want to know more about what Jeff meant without (as my Aussie friends say) "chucking a wobbly".

kergonath 4y ago
I am very suspicious of people who say everyone need to just chill out and ignore a fundamental issue that they personally do not deem fundamental enough. Further comments would be useful indeed, but the document is explicit enough as is.
- socialismisok 4y ago
  What actions did Twilio take, specifically, that you can glean from the expression "with an antiracist lens". That could be anything from "fire white folks" to execs sitting in chairs saying, "this is anti racist, right?" Whole doing nothing different so they can pat themselves on the back. Unless you think the very concept of antiracism is a problem.
  - ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
    Why does Twilio need to perform it's layoffs "with an antiracist lens"?
    - socialismisok 4y ago
      Being aware of historical iniquities and looking for places where you are continuing them. It's about acting with intentionality - criticizing yourself and applying multiple perspectives.
      - ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
        So being racist but in a nice way.
        socialismisok 4y ago
        Can you explain?
        jericho_jones 4y ago
        socialismisok 4y ago
        I'm genuinely not. I don't have evidence that Twilio fired anyone based on race. They said something that could possibly imply that, but there's also the possibility they just said something stupid. All I'm asking for is a single tangible piece of evidence. That bar hasn't changed, it's not arguing in bad faith to say, "please provide some evidence beyond one snippet from one rushed press release" and then hold that bar in the face of folks who cannot do so.
  - kergonath 4y ago
    > What actions did Twilio take, specifically, that you can glean from the expression "with an antiracist lens". It’s a dog whistle. You might be familiar with the concept, it is commonly used these days. Like when we rightly reject the hypocrisy of “all lives matter” when uttered by a white supremacist. Again, this might well be nothing, in which case clarifications would help. > Unless you think the very concept of antiracism is a problem. When anti-racism is just racism with a different target, yes, we have a problem.
    - socialismisok 4y ago
      Was that the case here? Was antiracism racism in Twilio's layoffs? If you have evidence of this, then I'm happy to concede.
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colpabar 4y ago
Was that before or after you replied to your own comment complaining about being downvoted?

telotortium 4y ago

I vouched because (a) it concerns an important public policy question of direct relevance to the audience of this website, and (b) I learned the EEOC provides guidance on how to do layoffs that might result in disparate impact, guidance that Twilio didn't take at all.