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This is false. A friend came back to the US after 3 years. A time period you typically lose your green card. However friend was smart to ask a lawyer and the

by refurb 4y ago

This is false. A friend came back to the US after 3 years. A time period you typically lose your green card. However friend was smart to ask a lawyer and the lawyer said “agree to nothing, sign nothing, only a judge can take your green card”. So she did just that. Put up with about an hour of shit. “No, im not signing anything”, “No, I don’t agree that I’m no longer a permanent resident of the US”. Was eventually let in and nothing came of it. Know your rights and stand firm. If some non-us citizen minority woman can do it, I’m sure you can too.

notch656a 4y ago
I'm shocked it went that well for her. I've had agents simply lie on their report, including lying to (and waking up) a federal judge and US assistant attorney in the search warrant DHS got for me. Also had them lie to me and tell me I wasn't permitted to enter the US with my US passport. I'm quite certain if she had dealt with some of the agents I dealt with they simply would have lied or signed the form for her and kicked her out of the country. If they would have simply taken the green card from her and said "good fuckin luck" it would have been a hell of a road getting it back after being gone 3 years. Either way good on her for calling the bluff.
- anon291 4y ago
  Native born Americans of non immigrant parents are incredibly afraid of the us government. Growing up in a family that came to this country, you're very disabused of the notion these agents have much power. For most of them it's a power trip. Once you understand that, you will figure out what to say. You have to understand that they know they're lying to you but it makes them feel powerful. Play into it. Let them feel the rush of power but remain firm in your goals.
  - refurb 4y ago
    This is true, but you have to be careful. I know in developing countries, the cops are nothing more than opportunist thugs. I have friends who tell them to just "fuck off" regularly. Then they come to the US with the same attitude, and while true US cops have limited powers, the "fuck off" approach often doesn't go over as well as politely refusing and stating your rights.
    - notch656a 4y ago
      When I was younger I used the "fuck off" approach. I would say it worked slightly better than the polite approach of asserting my rights (and then shutting the fuck up) I use now. The polite approach tends to make them falsely believe I am a push over. The only real reason I use it now is because body cams are everywhere and I assume the judge will be watching exactly what I say if I ends up in court. Before body cams I assumed the cop would just make up the most horrid shit possible so there was not point in being nice. Course it makes not much difference now. I'm on CBP's watch-list or some shit so I'm in for the 16+ hour shit-show, fraudulent warrants, with HSI detectives and the works everytime anyways. Even the seemingly nice agents see it on the computer and say "you know the drill" and send me into the bad-boy room.
anon291 4y ago
Yeah my grandmother lost her green card (old lady) and as long as you're nice and tell them the law... They will eventually follow it. My fellow Americans are very afraid of their own government for some reason. The us government is filled with a bunch of cowards.
- notch656a 4y ago
  >They will eventually follow it Or they won't. And they'll lie to a judge, and they'll lie to a doctor, and they'll lie to the assistant US attorney. They'll create an insane and false chain of probable cause to accuse you of having drugs up your ass. You'll be taken (while cuffed, and chained to a van) to MULTIPLE hospitals against your will and be seen without your permission (without an arrest, without a warrant, and without a court order, and without any psych hold), each of which sends you a multi-thousand dollar bill. You'll wonder when the lawsuit will end up getting served for the medical bills for a medical condition you never had that the agents made up. You will complain to the state medical/nursing board, and they'll tell you nurses can search and perform 'care' on you without a warrant, probable cause, any emergency, consent, an arrest, nor a court order -- and DHS will exploit this loophole to violate what few 4th amendment rights you do have at the border. The DHS agents will smile inside knowing they can weaponize the high cost of fake medical complains while under your detention to rack up debt in your name. Later you contact an attorney, and find out the agents have qualified immunity, that suing is a financial black hole that you probably cannot afford, and that your best chance is to be some incredibly sympathetic mother-teresa kind of character that are one of the one per 10,000 or whatever ACLU takes up for a cause. These are not theoretical. This is what they've done to me, and more.

by refurb 4y ago

notch656a 4y ago

I'm shocked it went that well for her. I've had agents simply lie on their report, including lying to (and waking up) a federal judge and US assistant attorney in the search warrant DHS got for me. Also had them lie to me and tell me I wasn't permitted to enter the US with my US passport. I'm quite certain if she had dealt with some of the agents I dealt with they simply would have lied or signed the form for her and kicked her out of the country. If they would have simply taken the green card from her and said "good fuckin luck" it would have been a hell of a road getting it back after being gone 3 years. Either way good on her for calling the bluff.

anon291 4y ago
Native born Americans of non immigrant parents are incredibly afraid of the us government. Growing up in a family that came to this country, you're very disabused of the notion these agents have much power. For most of them it's a power trip. Once you understand that, you will figure out what to say. You have to understand that they know they're lying to you but it makes them feel powerful. Play into it. Let them feel the rush of power but remain firm in your goals.
- refurb 4y ago
  This is true, but you have to be careful. I know in developing countries, the cops are nothing more than opportunist thugs. I have friends who tell them to just "fuck off" regularly. Then they come to the US with the same attitude, and while true US cops have limited powers, the "fuck off" approach often doesn't go over as well as politely refusing and stating your rights.
  - notch656a 4y ago
    When I was younger I used the "fuck off" approach. I would say it worked slightly better than the polite approach of asserting my rights (and then shutting the fuck up) I use now. The polite approach tends to make them falsely believe I am a push over. The only real reason I use it now is because body cams are everywhere and I assume the judge will be watching exactly what I say if I ends up in court. Before body cams I assumed the cop would just make up the most horrid shit possible so there was not point in being nice. Course it makes not much difference now. I'm on CBP's watch-list or some shit so I'm in for the 16+ hour shit-show, fraudulent warrants, with HSI detectives and the works everytime anyways. Even the seemingly nice agents see it on the computer and say "you know the drill" and send me into the bad-boy room.

anon291 4y ago

Yeah my grandmother lost her green card (old lady) and as long as you're nice and tell them the law... They will eventually follow it. My fellow Americans are very afraid of their own government for some reason. The us government is filled with a bunch of cowards.

notch656a 4y ago
>They will eventually follow it Or they won't. And they'll lie to a judge, and they'll lie to a doctor, and they'll lie to the assistant US attorney. They'll create an insane and false chain of probable cause to accuse you of having drugs up your ass. You'll be taken (while cuffed, and chained to a van) to MULTIPLE hospitals against your will and be seen without your permission (without an arrest, without a warrant, and without a court order, and without any psych hold), each of which sends you a multi-thousand dollar bill. You'll wonder when the lawsuit will end up getting served for the medical bills for a medical condition you never had that the agents made up. You will complain to the state medical/nursing board, and they'll tell you nurses can search and perform 'care' on you without a warrant, probable cause, any emergency, consent, an arrest, nor a court order -- and DHS will exploit this loophole to violate what few 4th amendment rights you do have at the border. The DHS agents will smile inside knowing they can weaponize the high cost of fake medical complains while under your detention to rack up debt in your name. Later you contact an attorney, and find out the agents have qualified immunity, that suing is a financial black hole that you probably cannot afford, and that your best chance is to be some incredibly sympathetic mother-teresa kind of character that are one of the one per 10,000 or whatever ACLU takes up for a cause. These are not theoretical. This is what they've done to me, and more.