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So, the million (or trillion) dollar question is, who controls them?

by cloutchaser 4y ago

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fbn79 4y ago
Private companies that leverage interest in war to drive traffic to their services
- sicp-enjoyer 4y ago
  Don't you think that would be a pretty big PR risk?
  - colordrops 4y ago
    Plausible deniability
    - sicp-enjoyer 4y ago
      I don't buy it. I'm sure their individual lobbying efforts with politicians are far more effective and less risky forms of marketing.
krisknez 4y ago
I am not sure but I used to be in a Telegram group called "Ukraine IT army" which had ~50k members all around the world at that time trying to contribute to Ukraine in any way. It was mostly about posting spam, DDoSing Russian sites and hacking them. (Majority of people weren't tech savy enough to be a hacker, they would just download a script and run it on a specific ip/domain) That was about 3-4 weeks into the war and I left it so I don't know what happened to it maybe it still exists and has more members.
- justsomehnguy 4y ago
  > it still exists and has more members It is, 225k members. The most amusing is what they are not only 'attacking' Russian sites, but any and anything what doesn't fit their view of the world (eg 1-star bombing some Germany *Bahn when they didn't 'didn't threw out the occupant from the job' when a conductor ignored some butthurt Ukranian) And what it is freely accessible from Wikipedia: https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%96%D1%8F:%D0%92%D1%96%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B0/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%83%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B8 https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF...
diimdeep 4y ago
World needs new Snowden, god knows what U.S. Intelligence Community has been up to lately ? If U.S. supply lots of military intelligence to Ukraine[1], why not also help them win the information war? [1]: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Anytimes.com+u.s.+intelligence+ukraine&t=ffab&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Anytimes.com+u.s.+intelligen...
- viro 4y ago
  ... umm you say that like the CIA helping defend freedom and democracy in allied countries is a bad thing...?
  - diimdeep 4y ago
    You say that like U.S. does have a patent or exclusive right to spread and defend freedom and democracy ®. And CIA is helping U.S. to become more powerful firstly, all this freedom[1] and democracy ® BS is just propaganda. [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=molecules+of+freedom&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=molecules+of+freedom&ia=web
    - viro 4y ago
      You're also leaving out Ukraine asked us for help. Yea, the U.S. does in fact have the RIGHT & moral obligation to help a fellow democracy and ally when they ask for help defeating an invading dictatorship. Edit: Oh of course a Russian would be upset that the U.S. is helping Ukraine repel their invasion.
      - diimdeep 4y ago
        There is conflict of interests between U.S. and Ukraine[1][2][3], this nullifies right and morality that U.S. is supposedly has. You treat Russian state as an invading dictatorship, then treat U.S. as imperialistic hegemony. But it's all power play between states and ruling elites, what about citizens? They are dissatisfied in democracy as much in U.S. as in Russia. [4] We better fix our problems from within rather than turn on each other. [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Biden+family+ukraine&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Biden+family+ukraine&ia=web [2] NATO expansion [3] (use translate) https://russian.rt.com/business/article/1010248-gaz-rossiya-ssha-ukraina-polsha-ekspert https://russian.rt.com/business/article/1010248-gaz-rossiya-... [4] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/02/27/how-people-around-the-world-see-democracy-in-8-charts/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/02/27/how-people-...
ilikecakeandpie 4y ago
I think it has to be contractors paid by the state. Information and misinformation in digital warfare
itwillnotbeasy 4y ago
It may be a job for an Olgino trolls, which is being run by Prigozhin aka putins chef https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

So, the million (or trillion) dollar question is, who controls them?

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fbn79 4y ago

Private companies that leverage interest in war to drive traffic to their services

sicp-enjoyer 4y ago
Don't you think that would be a pretty big PR risk?
- colordrops 4y ago
  Plausible deniability
  - sicp-enjoyer 4y ago
    I don't buy it. I'm sure their individual lobbying efforts with politicians are far more effective and less risky forms of marketing.

krisknez 4y ago

I am not sure but I used to be in a Telegram group called "Ukraine IT army" which had ~50k members all around the world at that time trying to contribute to Ukraine in any way. It was mostly about posting spam, DDoSing Russian sites and hacking them. (Majority of people weren't tech savy enough to be a hacker, they would just download a script and run it on a specific ip/domain) That was about 3-4 weeks into the war and I left it so I don't know what happened to it maybe it still exists and has more members.

justsomehnguy 4y ago
> it still exists and has more members It is, 225k members. The most amusing is what they are not only 'attacking' Russian sites, but any and anything what doesn't fit their view of the world (eg 1-star bombing some Germany *Bahn when they didn't 'didn't threw out the occupant from the job' when a conductor ignored some butthurt Ukranian) And what it is freely accessible from Wikipedia: https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%96%D1%8F:%D0%92%D1%96%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B0/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%83%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B8 https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF...

diimdeep 4y ago

World needs new Snowden, god knows what U.S. Intelligence Community has been up to lately ? If U.S. supply lots of military intelligence to Ukraine[1], why not also help them win the information war? [1]: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Anytimes.com+u.s.+intelligence+ukraine&t=ffab&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Anytimes.com+u.s.+intelligen...

viro 4y ago
... umm you say that like the CIA helping defend freedom and democracy in allied countries is a bad thing...?
- diimdeep 4y ago
  You say that like U.S. does have a patent or exclusive right to spread and defend freedom and democracy ®. And CIA is helping U.S. to become more powerful firstly, all this freedom[1] and democracy ® BS is just propaganda. [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=molecules+of+freedom&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=molecules+of+freedom&ia=web
  - viro 4y ago
    You're also leaving out Ukraine asked us for help. Yea, the U.S. does in fact have the RIGHT & moral obligation to help a fellow democracy and ally when they ask for help defeating an invading dictatorship. Edit: Oh of course a Russian would be upset that the U.S. is helping Ukraine repel their invasion.
    - diimdeep 4y ago
      There is conflict of interests between U.S. and Ukraine[1][2][3], this nullifies right and morality that U.S. is supposedly has. You treat Russian state as an invading dictatorship, then treat U.S. as imperialistic hegemony. But it's all power play between states and ruling elites, what about citizens? They are dissatisfied in democracy as much in U.S. as in Russia. [4] We better fix our problems from within rather than turn on each other. [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Biden+family+ukraine&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Biden+family+ukraine&ia=web [2] NATO expansion [3] (use translate) https://russian.rt.com/business/article/1010248-gaz-rossiya-ssha-ukraina-polsha-ekspert https://russian.rt.com/business/article/1010248-gaz-rossiya-... [4] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/02/27/how-people-around-the-world-see-democracy-in-8-charts/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/02/27/how-people-...

ilikecakeandpie 4y ago

I think it has to be contractors paid by the state. Information and misinformation in digital warfare

itwillnotbeasy 4y ago

It may be a job for an Olgino trolls, which is being run by Prigozhin aka putins chef https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency