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What hurt rust is the fanboys Look at the original title: "How we built Pingora, the proxy that connects Cloudflare to the Internet" And look what's being re

What hurt rust is the fanboys Look at the original title: "How we built Pingora, the proxy that connects Cloudflare to the Internet" And look what's being reported "rust-written", it's not the case with any other languages, and that's why some people are against it, because fanboyism takes over rational decisions Nobody mention the language for the countless new AI/ML based projects

manfre 4y ago
The "written in rust" has gotten to the point where I notice myself treating it the same as any other spam/ad. Turned me off from learning the language, which is a shame.
- nindalf 4y ago
  That’s a strange decision making strategy. What did you do when everyone around you was taking the Covid vaccine? Did you decide to skip it because too many people were recommending it?
  - freeopinion 4y ago
    Funny you should bring up that question. I was recently told, "You know when every government in the world is pushing a vaccination that it must be a trap." Strange decision-making strategy, indeed.
  - manfre 4y ago
    Comparing my decision to not learn a specific technology in my free time because a very vocal subset of its community is off putting to COVID tells me two things. 1. Using such a false equivalency means you have no actual argument against my decision making strategy, 2. You're likely part of the subset.
    - nindalf 4y ago
      I’ve met people who decide not to do things because they feel like they’re being forced into it when they receive too many recommendations. So someone saying “oh $language is great, it worked really well for me” is clearly upsetting you. I thought “$vaccine has boosted my chances of survival with minimal side effects” might have upset you as well.
      - manfre 4y ago
        The original blog post from Cloudflare [1] is titled "How we built Pingora, the proxy that connects Cloudflare to the Internet". The linked Phoronix article decided to use an overly hyped and editorialized title. Having "written in Rust" needlessly slapped on to HN, reddit, and other content farm post titles doesn't make me feel like I'm being forced to learn it. It gives the Rust community more of a MLM vibe with the need of the hype crew to talk it up to validate their decision to use it and they're trying to sell me something. [1] https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-we-built-pingora-the-proxy-that-connects-cloudflare-to-the-internet/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-we-built-pingora-the-proxy-t...
        nindalf 4y ago
        > make me feel like I'm being forced to learn it. I’m sorry you feel that way. You shouldn’t feel like you’re being forced to learn anything. That said the MLM interpretation is the least charitable one possible. A bunch of people excited about a new technology need not have malicious intent when they’re taking about it. Maybe they’re just excited.
        manfre 4y ago
        Excluding the "Doesn't" from your quote to negate my words is very deceitful. Do better.
        nindalf 4y ago
        I misread what you said. That was my mistake. I’m sorry. Again I request, please don’t assume that mistakes happen out of malice. There was no deceit in what I did. Suppose I made this mistake on purpose. What advantage could I possibly have gotten from it? Nothing. My only purpose here was to have a discussion in good faith. If you’re going into conversations assuming bad faith and deceit and ulterior motives of strangers, don’t be surprised if your biases are confirmed.
- politician 4y ago
  Zig seems like a good alternative to Rust for those of us who yearn for a better C anyhow.
  - manfre 4y ago
    Agreed. Zig was the language I decided to focus on instead of rust.
- carlmr 4y ago
  It's really a shame that you won't learn the language because there are a lot of fans. Maybe it would be worth considering that this may be more than just hype. Especially now that the Linux Kernel may be adopting Rust, and most of the big tech companies are building new projects in Rust. Go's approach to massive parallelism, Erlang and the supervisor/actor model, Rust and it's borrow-checker. These are all milestones in programming language development. There's a reason for the hype.
  - GoblinSlayer 4y ago
    The reason for hype is attention economy and aggressive marketing.
    - timeon 4y ago
      Attention economy in case of programming language? Is it really?
  - manfre 4y ago
    The issue for me is the type of fans and not the quantity. They give a sense of the community surrounding the language. My free time is limited and I've been spoiled by active involvement with a few open source communities that have been spectacular. To me, the community is as important as the project.
- timeon 4y ago
  I find it bit ironic that this is written under topic of "rust hipsters" because your comment reminds me defining feature of hipsters: turned off by hype.
sophacles 4y ago
When go was the hip new language, you saw this same basic comment here all the time, replacing rust with go. It didn't seem to hurt the language much.
- nindalf 4y ago
  Your account was created 15 years ago. The account you were replying to was created 60 days ago. People who’ve been here a while remember when “written in Go” was appended to everything. When “we decided to rewrite X in Go” would show up every other week. The new thing is going to get attention from people who haven’t used it but are interested. In a few years we’ll have new accounts complaining that there are too many articles about Carbon or whatever is new then.
  - pier25 4y ago
    Rust is the new thing?
    - teaearlgraycold 4y ago
      Case in point. Rust is eternal. Rewrite it all in Rust and you will be rewarded in the afterlife.
bfgoodrich 4y ago
2143 4y ago
> And look what's being reported "rust-written", it's not the case with any other languages It's a phase. "Written in Rust" "I use Arch btw" "Googler. Opinions are my own." And I'm pretty sure Haskell had a situation like this a while ago. This too shall pass.
- afiori 4y ago
  > "Googler. Opinions are my own." When commenting employer this is legally responsible and also a disclosure of your biases.
timeon 4y ago
For you it is about fanboys. For me it is direct utility. If there was no 'Rust' in the title I would miss it in my RSS feed. While I do have also filters for specific tech fields not language related - here I can find, for example, what is used in the production for this specific language I'm interested in. I just have to learn now not to look in the comment section, which is not only off-topic but actually arguing why even this topic exists.

manfre 4y ago

The "written in rust" has gotten to the point where I notice myself treating it the same as any other spam/ad. Turned me off from learning the language, which is a shame.

nindalf 4y ago
That’s a strange decision making strategy. What did you do when everyone around you was taking the Covid vaccine? Did you decide to skip it because too many people were recommending it?
- freeopinion 4y ago
  Funny you should bring up that question. I was recently told, "You know when every government in the world is pushing a vaccination that it must be a trap." Strange decision-making strategy, indeed.
- manfre 4y ago
  Comparing my decision to not learn a specific technology in my free time because a very vocal subset of its community is off putting to COVID tells me two things. 1. Using such a false equivalency means you have no actual argument against my decision making strategy, 2. You're likely part of the subset.
  - nindalf 4y ago
    I’ve met people who decide not to do things because they feel like they’re being forced into it when they receive too many recommendations. So someone saying “oh $language is great, it worked really well for me” is clearly upsetting you. I thought “$vaccine has boosted my chances of survival with minimal side effects” might have upset you as well.
    - manfre 4y ago
      The original blog post from Cloudflare [1] is titled "How we built Pingora, the proxy that connects Cloudflare to the Internet". The linked Phoronix article decided to use an overly hyped and editorialized title. Having "written in Rust" needlessly slapped on to HN, reddit, and other content farm post titles doesn't make me feel like I'm being forced to learn it. It gives the Rust community more of a MLM vibe with the need of the hype crew to talk it up to validate their decision to use it and they're trying to sell me something. [1] https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-we-built-pingora-the-proxy-that-connects-cloudflare-to-the-internet/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-we-built-pingora-the-proxy-t...
      - nindalf 4y ago
        > make me feel like I'm being forced to learn it. I’m sorry you feel that way. You shouldn’t feel like you’re being forced to learn anything. That said the MLM interpretation is the least charitable one possible. A bunch of people excited about a new technology need not have malicious intent when they’re taking about it. Maybe they’re just excited.
        manfre 4y ago
        Excluding the "Doesn't" from your quote to negate my words is very deceitful. Do better.
        nindalf 4y ago
        I misread what you said. That was my mistake. I’m sorry. Again I request, please don’t assume that mistakes happen out of malice. There was no deceit in what I did. Suppose I made this mistake on purpose. What advantage could I possibly have gotten from it? Nothing. My only purpose here was to have a discussion in good faith. If you’re going into conversations assuming bad faith and deceit and ulterior motives of strangers, don’t be surprised if your biases are confirmed.
politician 4y ago
Zig seems like a good alternative to Rust for those of us who yearn for a better C anyhow.
- manfre 4y ago
  Agreed. Zig was the language I decided to focus on instead of rust.
carlmr 4y ago
It's really a shame that you won't learn the language because there are a lot of fans. Maybe it would be worth considering that this may be more than just hype. Especially now that the Linux Kernel may be adopting Rust, and most of the big tech companies are building new projects in Rust. Go's approach to massive parallelism, Erlang and the supervisor/actor model, Rust and it's borrow-checker. These are all milestones in programming language development. There's a reason for the hype.
- GoblinSlayer 4y ago
  The reason for hype is attention economy and aggressive marketing.
  - timeon 4y ago
    Attention economy in case of programming language? Is it really?
- manfre 4y ago
  The issue for me is the type of fans and not the quantity. They give a sense of the community surrounding the language. My free time is limited and I've been spoiled by active involvement with a few open source communities that have been spectacular. To me, the community is as important as the project.
timeon 4y ago
I find it bit ironic that this is written under topic of "rust hipsters" because your comment reminds me defining feature of hipsters: turned off by hype.

sophacles 4y ago

When go was the hip new language, you saw this same basic comment here all the time, replacing rust with go. It didn't seem to hurt the language much.

nindalf 4y ago
Your account was created 15 years ago. The account you were replying to was created 60 days ago. People who’ve been here a while remember when “written in Go” was appended to everything. When “we decided to rewrite X in Go” would show up every other week. The new thing is going to get attention from people who haven’t used it but are interested. In a few years we’ll have new accounts complaining that there are too many articles about Carbon or whatever is new then.
- pier25 4y ago
  Rust is the new thing?
  - teaearlgraycold 4y ago
    Case in point. Rust is eternal. Rewrite it all in Rust and you will be rewarded in the afterlife.

bfgoodrich 4y ago

2143 4y ago

> And look what's being reported "rust-written", it's not the case with any other languages It's a phase. "Written in Rust" "I use Arch btw" "Googler. Opinions are my own." And I'm pretty sure Haskell had a situation like this a while ago. This too shall pass.

afiori 4y ago
> "Googler. Opinions are my own." When commenting employer this is legally responsible and also a disclosure of your biases.

timeon 4y ago

For you it is about fanboys. For me it is direct utility. If there was no 'Rust' in the title I would miss it in my RSS feed. While I do have also filters for specific tech fields not language related - here I can find, for example, what is used in the production for this specific language I'm interested in. I just have to learn now not to look in the comment section, which is not only off-topic but actually arguing why even this topic exists.